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more on The Digital TV Fiasco


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:41:05 -0400



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From: Tim Onosko <onosko () gmail com>
Date: June 10, 2005 2:32:51 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] more on The Digital TV Fiasco
Reply-To: tim () onosko com


Brad Templeton is absolutely right on this, but he doesn't mention the very real reason why digital TV must move from MPEG2 to MPEG4 (specifically the new H.264 or "AVC" codec): Picture quality.

Anyone who has watched digital cable or satellite signals can tell you that the quality is TERRIBLE. MPEG2 cannot do the job when bandwidth is reduced to two megabits per second, as it is on most digital cable and satellite systems. H.264/MPEG4 goes a long way toward solving the bandwidth problem with higher-effiency compression. A safe estimate is that it is approximately 4 times more efficient than MPEG2, meaning a 2-3 megabit video channel is near-DVD quality.

The reason this is important is not to please a few whining videophiles, either. New high-definition sets with larger screens amplify the distortions and artifacts of digital compression, and we need higher quality images just to match viewers expectations.

This issue is just beginning to be addressed, and, ironically, it is Rupert Murdoch's DirecTV that has so far led the way on it. The broadcasters have not yet considered this because they feel secure, having been granted so much bandwidth, and the cable ops know they will have to swallow hard and write down much of their MPEG2-based infrastructure (settop boxes, mainly) investment to keep viewers from migrating to satellite.

This is still an incredibly messy and fluid situation, and to try to freeze it with deadlines, when so much work is unfinished, is simply foolhardy.



On 6/10/05, David Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:

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From: Brad Templeton <btm () templetons com>
Date: June 10, 2005 1:24:33 PM EDT
To: David Farber < dave () farber net>
Cc: lauren () vortex com
Subject: Re: [IP] The Digital TV Fiasco


On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 02:44:19PM -0400, David Farber wrote:

> A really remarkable aspect of the FCC's continuing push to obsolete
> existing consumer televisions is how oblivious most people are
> to the entire process, particularly those persons who still depend
> on broadcast signals for all of their television viewing.
>

I could not help but remark on the comment about analog TVs becoming
obsolete that the latest digital TVs, only now coming to the market,
are already obsolete in some ways, or planned to be.

Digital HDTV in the USA is done over mpeg-2, at 720p or 1080i
resolution.  Mpeg-2 is already old hat in the computer world, most
people feel that mp4 is close to twice as good, and DirecTV plans to
move to MP4, obsoleting their old boxes.

Today most HDTVs on the shelf are LCD or DLP devices capable of 720p
but not 1080 lines, though the latter are coming.  1080p support is rare
but from an electronics standpoint, there's not reason it could not be
common.

Most people feed their HDTVs with analog component video.  DVI
connectors
(digital component video) are already vanished from TVs, being replaced
by HDCP, which is effectively a DVI cable with support for copy
protection.
The forces that be are working hard to have cable and sat boxes only
output
HDCP, first getting rid of DVI and then even analog, obsoleting many
of the
HDTVs out there.

The lesson is that this technology moves way too fast to be regulated.
It was a common lament that HDTV was slow to appear because everybody
was waiting for some solid standards to be mandated.   I think it was
the opposite.


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