more on Radical Attacks on the Basis of Science

["Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>]

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From: "Jock Gill" <jg45 () mac com>
To: <dave () farber net>
Cc: "Jock Gill" <jg45 () mac com>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [IP] Radical Attacks on the Basis of Science


> Dave,
>
> For IP if you wish.   Another point of view as to why the Christian  
> Right party must try to determine what is taught.
>
> Evil, Salvation and Politics
> Jock Gill & Rev. Randolph Becker
>
> We need to dig deeper into the root causes of so much of the conflict  
> afoot in the land today. We need to understand how our concepts of  
> "evil" influence how we think about political power.
>
> There are deep links to the nature of the source and legitamacy of  
> authority and how we understand sin. Is the serpent the symbol of  
> wisdom or of evil? What is Family Values really about? What are the  
> sources of authority of secular and theological power structures?
>
> Is this the same debate that animated the conflict between the Orthodox  
> Roman church and the Gnostic church in the early centuries of the  
> Christian era? Elaine Pagels, in her book "The Gnostic Gospels",  
> suggests links and relationships between: Martin Luther, The Quakers,  
> and Paul Tillich. Most recently, many of us have direct and powerful  
> experience of the 60's counter culture movements with their rejection  
> of both top down authority and many of the classical sins.
>
> A clue, in the bubble chamber sense, is that the Family Values  
> proponents are strongly represented by very to ultra conservative  
> Christians who have very rigid answers to the foundations of authority  
> and the meaning of sin. Most of us on the progressive Left, or in David  
> Brooks' words the "Educated Class of the university-town elite" have no  
> understanding of the Religious Right Party's concerns with authority  
> and sin and no well thought out and progressive 21st century positions  
> on either.
>
> ------------- continued at  
> <http://www.greaterdemocracy.org/archives/000338.html>
>
>
> Jock Gill
> Meme Intelligence
> jock.gill () memeintel com
> "Cooperative gain from collective behaviors at the edges."
>
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2005, at 5:56 PM, David Farber wrote:
>
> > _______________ Forward Header _______________
> > Subject: Radical Attacks on the Basis of Science
> > Author: Randall <rvh40 () insightbb com>
> > Date: 11th February 2005 5:10:25 pm
> >
> > Creationists take their challenge to evolution theory into the  
> > classroom
> > Posted on Monday, February 07 @ 10:26:22 EST
> > _______________________________________________________________________ 
> > _
> > By Suzanne Goldenberg in Kansas City, The Guardian
> >
> > Al Frisby has spent the better part of his life in rooms filled with
> > rebellious teenagers, but the last years have been particularly trying
> > for the high school biology teacher. He has met parents who want him to
> > teach that God created Eve out of Adam's rib, and then then adjusted  
> > the
> > chromosomes to make her a woman, and who insist that Noah invited
> > dinosaurs aboard the ark. And it is getting more difficult to keep such
> > talk out of the classroom.
>
> >

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