more on Science is for Pansies - REAL Men believe in Genesis!

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: "Kobrin, Steve" <kobrins () wharton upenn edu>
Date: August 5, 2005 11:49:31 AM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Subject: RE: [IP] more on Science is for Pansies - REAL Men believe  
in Genesis!


There is a broader question here.  First, "we" is relative; it is far
from clear to me that the large number of Americans who refuse to accept
evolution would condemn the Pope.

More importantly, where have we failed as educators?  It is all too easy
to blame all of this on the Christian Right or fundamentalists.  But if
the surveys are right and around 50% of Americans do not accept
evolution, then 50% of Americans do not accept geology, physics,
archeology and a host of other sciences.  Most of these people are high
school graduates and a good number have college degrees.  What kind of
science education did they have? Evolution is somewhat abstract in the
sense that you can not see or feel it; rocks, however, are not.  Strata
are visible to all.

Most of these people have had science in high school or college.
However, if someone tells them that it is all nonsense and the world was
created 5000 years ago, they believe it.  One has to wonder about the
quality of science education in this country.

Given Bush's latest statement one also has to wonder about the quality
of science education at Andover and Yale.

Steve

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From: gep2 () terabites com
Date: August 5, 2005 10:32:52 AM EDT
To: dfarber () cs cmu edu
Subject: [IP] more on   Science is for Pansies - REAL Men believe in
Genesis!


And the Pope excommunicated scientists, centuries back, who dared to
publicly
cling to the preposterous and anti-religious notion that the sun and
other
planets didn't really rotate around the Earth, either.

Today, we look back at the Pope and other "religious" folk of the era
and laugh
at his (and their) ridiculous arrogance.  And we applaud the
scientists and
astronomers who were willing to stand up against "Christians", and
speak about
what we clearly now KNOW is the truth.

It's amazing how history repeats itself, and how little some folks
have learned.


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From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Subject: [IP] more on   Science is for Pansies - REAL Men believe in
Genesis!
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:29:25 -0400
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This argument by numbers demonstrates that what the creationists are
doing is not science despite their protestations. Real science is about
testing facts, not signing loyalty oaths. No matter how many theocrats
want material on creationism, the flat earth, or the heavenly spheres
tought in science classes, it's still not science.

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