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more on CNN special on Iraq war intelligence failures
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:57:13 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: gailbracy <gailbracy () homelandhugs org> Date: August 25, 2005 6:36:45 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: RE: [IP] more on CNN special on Iraq war intelligence failures Dear Dave I don't think we will see any true anti-war movement until they start up"The Draft", and mothers like me have to send their babies to Canada (Mine's
19 and he will definitely be heading North if any such thing happens)I thought your readers may like to ask the Troops themselves. November '04 I
started a chat group, HomeLand Hugs, to specifically seek out Troops andCivilian support and get the real story. We use Yahoo Messenger, as many of them there have accounts and simply try to keep their spirits up. Regardless of the advances in war-fighting, the effect of brutality is the same. Many of them come back drinking relentlessly, on anti-depressants, and to ruined families. Many are in limbo and awaiting their second or even third tours.
We don't send packages. We don't have prayer circles. We simply chat with
them, and try to provide some semblance of sanity in a pit of madness. I have learned so much more from them than anything CNN ever told me. We have 220 members, 100 of those being either "in-country", or new Veterans. Beware: we are probably the only non-religious, non-political,non-God-and-country support group on the web, with all branches of service and many civilian contractors, and I fight furiously to keep it this way.
Only one or two come to us pro-Bush and they soon bolt. Most of them will say they are simply doing their jobs, and not one of them whine about it.
Please don't forget those in Afghanistan as they are still dying there every week. Unfortunately, we have a difficult time having live conversations with those, but we do have at least 2 Veterans in our group who were there in the
early days of 2002. You can find us at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HomeLandHugs/ Yours, Gail -----Original Message----- From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 3:35 PM To: Ip Ip Subject: [IP] more on CNN special on Iraq war intelligence failures Begin forwarded message: From: "Robert C. Atkinson" <rca53 () columbia edu> Date: August 24, 2005 5:21:57 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] more on CNN special on Iraq war intelligence failures Tet was a clear military victory for the United States in Vietnam: the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese were soundly defeated on the battlefield. But Tet was a public relations/propaganda disaster back in the United States, possibly because of the anti-war bias of the media. If there is a "Tet like attack on Baghdad" will history repeat itself? The insurgents will be undoubtedley be annihilated if they stand and fight so the question is whether they would win the propaganda war? Except for the "home front" propaganda issue, the US military is probably hoping for a Tet-like attack where they can confront and utterly destroy the enemy. And the "home front" is much different today than in the Tet-era: no anti-war protests on college campuses, soldiers are admired not reviled, there is strong political support for the troops in the field, the President has a strong core of support, and there is an effective rightwing/pro-war press (talk radio, Fox News Channel, the Washington Times, rightwing bloggers, etc.) to counter the leftwing/ anti-war press. So, a "Tet like attack on Baghdad" might be the best thing that could happen. Bob David Farber wrote:
Begin forwarded message: From: chodge5 () utk edu Date: August 24, 2005 4:32:13 PM EDT To: David Farber <dave () farber net> Subject: Re: [IP] CNN special on Iraq war intelligence failures Not sure if you caught Sy Hersch on the Daily Show the other night http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/002302.html He claims US intelligence now indicates the insurgency is regrouping and preparing for a TET-like attack on Baghdad, and the report this morning of a coordinated attack in West Baghdad seems to lend some credence to his claim. If there is a Battle for Baghdad looming, and the Green Zone is isolated, the war may not drag on for years, as most people are predicting. -c On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, David Farber wrote:Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:38:02 -0400 From: David Farber <dave () farber net> To: ip () v2 listbox com Subject: [IP] CNN special on Iraq war intelligence failures -----Original Message----- From: "Lauren Weinstein"<lauren () vortex com> Sent: 20/08/05 11:55:22 AM To: "dave () farber net"<dave () farber net> Cc: "lauren () vortex com"<lauren () vortex com> Subject: CNN special on Iraq war intelligence failures Dave, Of possible interest (noted particularly for those IP readers who don't regularly watch TV news): "Dead Wrong" -- Inside an Intelligence Meltdown Sunday, August 21 (tomorrow) 8pm EDT CNN (scheduled repeats at 11pm, 2am, and later in the week) --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren () pfir org or lauren () vortex com or lauren () eepi org Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 http://www.pfir.org/lauren Co-Founder, PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org Co-Founder, EEPI - Electronic Entertainment Policy Initiative - http://www.eepi.org Moderator, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com DayThink: http://daythink.vortex.com [Message truncated. Tap Edit->Mark for Download to get remaining portion.] ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as chodge5 () utk edu To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/ interesting- people/------------------------------------- You are subscribed as rca53 () columbia edu To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/
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