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more on somebody is spoofing "from dave () farber net"


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 04:35:37 -0400



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From: Russell Nelson <nelson () crynwr com>
Date: August 8, 2004 10:14:09 PM EDT
To: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
Cc: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] more on somebody is spoofing "from dave () farber net"

From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>

Oh, sure, there are proposals (like DomainKeys and SPF) on the
table which attempt to wallpaper over the problem and hide its
consequences, but none of these do anything to address the
underlying issues.

DomainKeys isn't an attempt to wallpaper over the problem of zombies.
I think you and Dave are talking about solving different problems.
Yes, there is an overlap between stopping forgeries and stopping
zombies.  Spammers also send forgeries, and zombies are also used in
denial of service attacks.  Stopping zombies won't stop forgeries.

DomainKeys is MTA-level cryptographic signing of email, including the
headers and body but not the envelope (mailing lists need to modify
the envelope).  If you get a piece of email from a domain advertising
that all outgoing email is signed, and it's unsigned or has a bad
signature, you can be fully confident that it is forgery.  Doesn't
matter if a zombie sent it or a spammer sent it, it's a forgery and
can be discarded.  That's what Dave wants, right?

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