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From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 06:51:40 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Jay Fenello <Jay () Fenello com> Date: August 4, 2004 3:37:40 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Cc: farber () cis upenn edu, awpd () yahoogroups com Subject: Persuading People With Reason (was: Click at your own risk) At 8/4/2004 01:27 PM, David Farber wrote:
From: Barry Ritholtz <ritholtz () optonline net> Date: August 3, 2004 10:46:51 PM EDTThe issue between Apple and Real only tangentially touches upon the most significant problem of copyright law: Its a mess. It may have originally been created to encourage the creative arts, but its now run completely amuck. Its been taken over by large corporate interests, applied directly inapposite to the original purpose.And since I do not practice law any longer, I can freely say what practicing lawyers cannot: The Supreme Court blew it. Was it through sheer incompetence? An incorrect reading of the original intent of the framers? Are they simply to old to understand new technology?
Dr. Larry Lessig was on the Charlie Rose show the other night. He had recently argued a landmark Supreme Court case that resulted in Congress receiving virtually unlimited authority to extend Copyrights *forever* -- exactly the *opposite* of his goal! He had been concerned about the way big corporations had been acquiring copyrights, then persuading Congress to extend them -- a process placing increasing restrictions on the uses of creative works, resulting in a world of greatly diminished freedoms. I know Dr. Lessig from our respective roles in the establishment of Internet Governance. He was one of the few leaders, in my opinion, who understood the issues, and took positions on the right side of the debate. I've always respected him for that -- as I respect him for the comments he made on Charlie Rose. He described how this ruling came about, and its consequence -- how there is nothing now to restrict the continuing dealings of the big corporations and Congress. When asked what he could have done different, Larry lamented not using a more emotional appeal in his arguments. He speculated that it might have persuaded one of the judges who had argued for the majority position. I couldn't help but think back to the fight over Internet Governance. In both cases, the powers that be made decisions that seem to benefit the few, at the expense of the many. At one point in the interview, Larry shared a quote on "persuading people with reason," which he described as one of the primary responsibilities of an attorney. When considering Larry's goal to persuade the Supreme Court to uphold the highest ideals of the Constitution, I wondered: Can people be persuaded with reason? Having spent the last 5 years exploring this question, I currently believe the answer is a resounding NO. While it is true that some people can be influenced with reason, many others are stuck in entrenched patterns. How could a majority of the Supreme Court Justices allow the unlimited extensions of copyrights? How could the Commerce Department allow the corrupt dealings of ICANN to take over the initial functions of Internet Governance? In each case, the individuals involved were making perfectly rational decisions, given their belief systems and entrenched patterns-- decisions that either create, or enable, virtually all of the problems that exist
in our world today. If we want an end to war, or terrorism, or repressive governments and/or policies, environmental degradation and unsustainable growth, we must find a way to break through these entrenched patterns that people have inherited. We must help people to Wake Up. Anyway, that's where I'm at today. I remain open to other opinions, however, so comments welcome ... Jay.
Regardless, they have made a hash of what should be a relatively simple interpretation. We will be feeling the impact of their incompetance globally for decades. Oh, and Australia was just strongarmed into changing their copyright law to suit the U.S.The results of this are actually laughable: Aussie iPod owners are not legally allowed to transfer the songs from CDs they bought (legally) to thier iPods.Simply outrageous. Heres an excerpt: "Click at your own risk" Julian Lee The Sydney Morning Herald, August 3, 2004 (annoying registration required)http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/02/1091432115074.html? oneclick=true
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