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more on BBC: UK bans spam messages (fwd)
From: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:40:27 -0400
Delivered-To: dfarber+ () ux13 sp cs cmu eduX-Authentication-Warning: wells.cisco.com: ole set sender to ole () cisco com using -fDate: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:14:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ole J. Jacobsen" <ole () cisco com> Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen <ole () cisco com> To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net> Dave, Here is some feedback from a person in the UK: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:36:27 +0100 From: Christian de Larrinaga <cdel () firsthand net> To: 'Ole Jacobsen' <ole () cisco com> Subject: RE: [IP] BBC: UK bans spam messages (fwd) Ole If you think anything here is relevant to Dave and the list please forward. I've had a look over the statutory instrument and the following report has a reasonable summary of the obvious points. http://www.silicon.com/news/165-500001/1/6067.html?nl=20030919 But there is a bit more to it from a net head perspective. From a policy perspective the crucial issue here remains the opt in / opt out argument. US companies with European subsidiaries may find themselves in a grey area. However with the recent history of "spam" of all sorts it would have to be a particularly bone headed commercial operator who today insists on opt out. So hopefully the opt in perspective will come to be seen as just good longer range commercial good sense as well as good manners. From an enforcement perspective we will have to see what prosecutions result. From an Internet perspective the statutory instrument refers more to legacy voice and fax services than it does specifically to electronic mail. It deals with telephone and fax with some fairly specific items but email is much less closely defined. The definition of electronic mail is in itself quite interesting: "electronic mail" means any text, voice, sound or image message sent over a public electronic communications network which can be stored in the network or in the recipient's terminal equipment until it is collected by the recipient and includes messages sent using a short message service;" ...so nothing Internet specific here. Indeed mentioning SMS by name indicates that mobile phone services are high in the mind of the drafter whereas Instant Messaging is included only by interpretation in the round. ...and again in terms of directory information: "(8) In this regulation, "telephone number" has the same meaning as in section 56(5) of the Communications Act 2003(a) but does not include any number which is used as an internet domain name, an internet address or an address or identifier incorporating either an internet domain name or an internet address, including an electronic mail address." So telephone directory information appears to be impacted but not whois or email directories Quite what happens with ENUM in regard e164 numbers in NAPTR I need to think about! and perhaps so will a judge in due course. ...and on disguising the source of an email: "23.A person shall neither transmit, nor instigate the transmission of, a communication for the purposes of direct marketing by means of electronic mail- (a) where the identity of the person on whose behalf the communication has been sent has been disguised or concealed; or (b) where a valid address to which the recipient of the communication may send a request that such communications cease has not been provided." ...which suggests that some types of remailers may be included in the provision unless the content makes it clear who the sender is which is in anycase now required as below. " 24.-(1) Where a public electronic communications service is used for the transmission of a communication for direct marketing purposes the person using, or instigating the use of, the service shall ensure that the following information is provided with that communication- (a) in relation to a communication to which regulations 19 (automated calling systems) and 20 (facsimile machines) apply, the particulars mentioned in paragraph (2)(a) and (b); (b) in relation to a communication to which regulation 21 (telephone calls) applies, the particulars mentioned in paragraph (2)(a) and, if the recipient of the callso requests, those mentioned in paragraph (2)(b).2) The particulars referred to in paragraph (1) are- (a) the name of the person; (b) either the address of the person or a telephone number on which he can be reached free of charge." Whether remailer services that change header information get caught up in the provisions or not probably is worth a further look. The only way round is to vet each mail has the correct identity in the content or to amend the content to place the original header information as a section in the copy, which would be very controversial. The Regulator OFCOM is also required to do some work as in "Register to be kept for the purposes of regulation 21" which "26.-(1) For the purposes of regulation 21 OFCOM shall maintain and keep up-to-date, in printed or electronic form, a register of the numbers allocated to individual subscribers, in respect of particular lines, who have notified them that they do not for the time being wish to receive unsolicited calls for direct marketing purposes on the lines in question. (2) OFCOM shall remove a number from the register maintained under paragraph (1) wherethey have reason to believe that it has ceased to be allocated to the subscriber by whom they were notified pursuant to paragraph (1). (3) On the request of- (a) a person wishing to make, or instigate the making of, such calls as are mentioned in paragraph (1), or (b) a subscriber wishing to permit the use of his line for the making of such calls, for information derived from the register kept under paragraph (1), OFCOM shall, unless it is not reasonably practicable so to do, on the payment to them of such fee as is, subject to paragraph (4),required by them, make the information requested available to that person or that subscriber." ...to understand the reference to lines rather than numbers the definition is earlier given as: "(4) Any reference in these Regulations to a line shall, without prejudice to paragraph (3), be construed as including a reference to anything that performs the function of a line, and "connected", in relation to a line, is to be construed accordingly." ...again this is pure PSTN circuit based thinking. the rationale for this seems to be that potential spammers will exclude these numbers from their databases. Whereas the rationale of many email spammers seems to have been to harvest such useful "addresses" to spam. So there seems to be a conflict of expectations between what the pstn provisions suggest and those for "electronic mail". Again we may find this creating some further complications with ENUM implementation for +44 which is now in Trials until the end of 2003. What this Instrument is doing is defining "spam" as un-solicited and not by content, but requiring certain contact data in the content of solicited (allowed) spam. I don't see it having a big short term impact, which explains the recent bids at the Information Commissioners Office for an information resource on spam to aid consumers. It is more interesting to me to see how not very far government thinking has come in regards a packet switching world rather than circuit switching. Christian Christian de Larrinaga Network Brokers Ltd +44-7989-386778
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