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IP: Re: Debunking the Myth of a Desperate Software Labor Shortage
From: Dave Farber <farber () cis upenn edu>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:00:49 -0400
X-Sender: larry () pop walltech com (Unverified) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:42:18 -0700 To: farber () cis upenn edu From: Larry Tesler <larry () nomodes com> Subject: Re: IP: Debunking the Myth of a Desperate Software Labor Shortage Dave, Matloff's paper is so full of holes and non sequiturs, it is not funny. For starters, let's look at his primary gripe: age discrimination. Suppose Mary and John both apply for a job. Mary has experience doing the job and is very knowledgeable and fast. John has never done the job before, lacks necessary skills, and demands 50% more pay besides. Both John and Mary are citizens, and neither is a felon. But their ages differ. Which would be discrimination: hiring John or hiring Mary? It is obvious to me that if the employer hires Mary--the more qualified candidate who asks less in salary--there has been no discrimination of any kind. It can only be discrimination if the less qualified candidate gets the job, or, in the case of equal qualifications, if the candidate that demands to be paid more gets the job. Then the question is, what kind of discrimination? If less qualified John was hired over more qualified Mary at higher pay because of his gender, it would be sex discrimination. If he was hired over Mary because of his race, it would be racial discrimination. If he was hired over Mary because of his age, it would be age discrimination. In Matloff's example, Mary (not the candidate's name) is hired. But Matloff claims it is age discrimination, even though Mary is the more qualified candidate. The reason? She is younger than John! The employer, in his view, should give age preference to the older candidate, despite his higher cost and inferior skills. To add paranoia to illogic, Matloff insinuates that employers try to infer age from resume and purposely screen out the older candidates. That would certainly be age discrimination. But to claim it is a rampant practice without evidence is unsound scholarship. Matloff tries to apply his topsy-turvy age discrimination logic to H1-B visas, which entail entirely different issues. By law, employers not only can, but must, discriminate against aliens without papers. Matloff then cites the fact that some top employers hire only a few percent of applicants. He says this statistic proves that there cannot be a shortage of software engineers. But the fact that a woman gets 100 marriage proposals--many from strange drunks on the street--and only accepts one does not prove that there is a surplus of eligible husbands. These are some of the flaws in the logic... First, software engineers jump from company to company. When there is a shortage of a skill, those who have it move from job to job to take advantage of the situation and win positions, perks and pay. A lot of resumes is as consistent with a shortage of engineers as it is with a shortage of positions. Second, many engineers covet jobs with top tier firms because (a) despite Matloff's insinuations that they are out to underpay, they actually pay more from a total compensation standpoint than most places those applicants are working now; (b) it is a great career step, a well-regarded employer to list on a resume; (c) as with top tier universities, the harder it is to get in, the more people want to get in. Third, many applicants send resumes to 50 or 100 companies in hopes of improving their situation or just getting a change of pace. If every employer hired 50% of the applicants, every applicant would start work at 25 new jobs. The math does not work. Employers do indeed see a lot of resumes. But who has time to interview hundreds of candidates for one job? Employers trim the list to manageable size by reading the resumes. The poor fits to the job come in every age group--as do the good fits and the highly skilled candidates. Some applicants have no programming skills at all. They hope to move to a higher-paying career path. Some applicants blast their resume to an automated distribution list. That's spam telemarketing, not discriminate selection of a potential employer. Fourth, he does not cite statistics on accepted applicants, only hired applicants. Accepted applicants often get many offers, accept the best, and turn down the rest. The rejected employer hires someone else instead. This counts as one hire in the statistics, even though the employer made two offers. And sometimes an employer has to make five or ten offers before a candidate accepts. I could go on. But this email would be longer than the paper itself. Larry Tesler President, Stagecast Software, Inc. Average software engineer age: 41.2 Average other employee age: 41.5 H1-B visas: 1 out of 14 employees, and not the lowest paid SW engineer Job openings today: NoneX\Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:01:56 -0600 To: Dave Farber <farber () cis upenn edu> From: Brett Glass <brett () lariat org> Debunking the Myth of a Desperate Software Labor Shortage by Dr. Norman Matloff Due to an extensive public relations campaign orchestrated by an industry trade organization, the Information Technology Association of America (ITAA), a rash of newspaper articles have been appearing since early 1997, claiming desperate labor shortages in the information-technology field. Frantic employers complain that they cannot fill many open positions for computer programmers. (Footnote: Our focus on computer programmers here is explained in the section "Reason for the Focus on Software.") Yet readers of the articles proclaiming a shortage would be perplexed if they also knew that Microsoft only hires 2% of its applicants for software positions, and that this rate is typical in the industry. Software employers, large or small, across the nation, concede that they receive huge numbers of resumes but reject most of them without even an interview. One does not have to be a "techie" to see the contradiction here. If employers were that desperate, they would certainly not be hiring just a minuscule fraction of their job applicants. The hidden agenda of the ITAA public relations campaign which began in 1997 turned out to be to leverage Congress to increase the yearly quota of H-1B work visas, under which employers were importing tens of thousands of programmers to the U.S.... http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.real.html
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