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IP: Re: Debunking the Myth of a Desperate Software Labor Shortage


From: Dave Farber <farber () cis upenn edu>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:00:49 -0400



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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:42:18 -0700
To: farber () cis upenn edu
From: Larry Tesler <larry () nomodes com>
Subject: Re: IP: Debunking the Myth of a Desperate Software Labor Shortage

Dave,

Matloff's paper is so full of holes and non sequiturs, it is not funny.

For starters, let's look at his primary gripe: age discrimination.

Suppose Mary and John both apply for a job. Mary has experience doing the 
job and is very knowledgeable and fast. John has never done the job 
before, lacks necessary skills, and demands 50% more pay besides. Both 
John and Mary are citizens, and neither is a felon. But their ages differ. 
Which would be discrimination: hiring John or hiring Mary?

It is obvious to me that if the employer hires Mary--the more qualified 
candidate who asks less in salary--there has been no discrimination of any 
kind. It can only be discrimination if the less qualified candidate gets 
the job, or, in the case of equal qualifications, if the candidate that 
demands to be paid more gets the job.

Then the question is, what kind of discrimination? If less qualified John 
was hired over more qualified Mary at higher pay because of his gender, it 
would be sex discrimination. If he was hired over Mary because of his 
race, it would be racial discrimination. If he was hired over Mary because 
of his age, it would be age discrimination.

In Matloff's example, Mary (not the candidate's name) is hired. But 
Matloff claims it is age discrimination, even though Mary is the more 
qualified candidate. The reason? She is younger than John! The employer, 
in his view, should give age preference to the older candidate, despite 
his higher cost and inferior skills.

To add paranoia to illogic, Matloff insinuates that employers try to infer 
age from resume and purposely screen out the older candidates. That would 
certainly be age discrimination. But to claim it is a rampant practice 
without evidence is unsound scholarship.

Matloff tries to apply his topsy-turvy age discrimination logic to H1-B 
visas, which entail entirely different issues. By law, employers not only 
can, but must, discriminate against aliens without papers.

Matloff then cites the fact that some top employers hire only a few 
percent of applicants. He says this statistic proves that there cannot be 
a shortage of software engineers. But the fact that a woman gets 100 
marriage proposals--many from strange drunks on the street--and only 
accepts one does not prove that there is a surplus of eligible husbands.

These are some of the flaws in the logic...

First, software engineers jump from company to company. When there is a 
shortage of a skill, those who have it move from job to job to take 
advantage of the situation and win positions, perks and pay. A lot of 
resumes is as consistent with a shortage of engineers as it is with a 
shortage of positions.

Second, many engineers covet jobs with top tier firms because (a) despite 
Matloff's insinuations that they are out to underpay, they actually pay 
more from a total compensation standpoint than most places those 
applicants are working now; (b) it is a great career step, a well-regarded 
employer to list on a resume; (c) as with top tier universities, the 
harder it is to get in, the more people want to get in.

Third, many applicants send resumes to 50 or 100 companies in hopes of 
improving their situation or just getting a change of pace. If every 
employer hired 50% of the applicants, every applicant would start work at 
25 new jobs. The math does not work.

Employers do indeed see a lot of resumes. But who has time to interview 
hundreds of candidates for one job? Employers trim the list to manageable 
size by reading the resumes. The poor fits to the job come in every age 
group--as do the good fits and the highly skilled candidates.

Some applicants have no programming skills at all. They hope to move to a 
higher-paying career path.

Some applicants blast their resume to an automated distribution list. 
That's spam telemarketing, not discriminate selection of a potential employer.

Fourth, he does not cite statistics on accepted applicants, only hired 
applicants. Accepted applicants often get many offers, accept the best, 
and turn down the rest. The rejected employer hires someone else instead. 
This counts as one hire in the statistics, even though the employer made 
two offers. And sometimes an employer has to make five or ten offers 
before a candidate accepts.

I could go on. But this email would be longer than the paper itself.

Larry Tesler
President, Stagecast Software, Inc.
Average software engineer age: 41.2
Average other employee age:    41.5
H1-B visas: 1 out of 14 employees, and not the lowest paid SW engineer
Job openings today: None


X\Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:01:56 -0600
To: Dave Farber <farber () cis upenn edu>
From: Brett Glass <brett () lariat org>


Debunking the Myth of a Desperate Software Labor Shortage

by Dr. Norman Matloff

Due to an extensive public relations campaign orchestrated by an industry 
trade organization, the Information Technology Association of America 
(ITAA), a rash of newspaper articles have been appearing since early 
1997, claiming desperate labor shortages in the information-technology 
field. Frantic employers complain that they cannot fill many open 
positions for computer programmers. (Footnote: Our focus on computer 
programmers here is explained in the section "Reason for the Focus on 
Software.")

Yet readers of the articles proclaiming a shortage would be perplexed if 
they also knew that Microsoft only hires 2% of its applicants for 
software positions, and that this rate is typical in the industry. 
Software employers, large or small, across the nation, concede that they 
receive huge numbers of resumes but reject most of them without even an 
interview. One does not have to be a "techie" to see the contradiction 
here. If employers were that desperate, they would certainly not be 
hiring just a minuscule fraction of their job applicants.

The hidden agenda of the ITAA public relations campaign which began in 
1997 turned out to be to leverage Congress to increase the yearly quota 
of H-1B work visas, under which employers were importing tens of 
thousands of programmers to the U.S....

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.real.html



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