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IP: Re: Ok, who the hell is "E-Mail America"
From: Dave Farber <farber () central cis upenn edu>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 03:44:13 -0500
I found this an interesting overview of the spammer business situation djf From: TELECOM Digest Editor <telecom () eecs nwu edu> I got mail this morning from the seller of the EUPHORIA TAPE, in which he stated he wishes to 'surrender'. After reading his letter which is attached below, my belief is he was snookered by Jeff Slaton into getting involved in this business. I think he was naive and did not realize how offensive this sort of thing is to most netters. He says he spoke with Jeff and was seduced into thinking this sort of thing was okay. Jeff, by the way, is the front page story in today's issue of the {San Jose Mercury News}; a story entitled "King of Spam". I'd not be surprised to see other newspapers around the country pick up the story and also run it. My recommendation, for whatever it is worth, is that we give this guy a pass; let him off with a warning that Usenet is *not* the place to advertise, at least not in massive spam-like quantities spread across the entire network. I think he is sincerely sorry for this mess. Here is his note, and as he requested, I am preserving his privacy. The data I had started to collect on him will not be used. PAT From: GiffyScan () eworld com Subject: I am responsible for THE EUPHORIA TAPE. I wish to discuss the terms of my surrender. It was not until TODAY that I discovered the net-abuse newsgroups, and in reading back as far as it would go, I was shocked and horrified to see that my Euphoria advertisement has caused so much anger and disgust. I was also flabbergasted to find out how criminal Jeff Slaton is considered. The final volley was your note entitled "War Against Spammers, Update 10/23/95" In it you mention: "My thanks to everyone who has helped on these projects. I'll see what I can do about the EUPHORIA TAPE in the next day or so" I do not wish to be a netcriminal like the others. That is why I'm writing this letter, and why I am surrending. Please let me tell you what happened: In September I saw Slaton's ADVERTISE TO 5 MILLION PEOPLE ad in the newsgroup I subscribe to, and I called him, and told him I have a self-hypnosis tape I'd like to sell. Such a charming man, reminds me of my uncle. I wrote some copy, sent him a money order, and five days later I saw my Euphoria spiel in many newsgroups. Although I saw many complaints RE'd in some newsgroups, they were rather mild, more crankiness than anger. Over the next week LOTS of orders for the Euphoria Tape came in, and I thought this was great. It died down after a couple weeks, so I starting posting a few ads myself thru my internet account. That lasted about 2 days until they cut me off. I talked to them and they said when they reach a certain number of complaints against a customer they cancel his account, and posting ads to Newsgroups is the quickest way to get killed, they said. So that was the end of it, until, on my AOL account I got another ad offering to sell 5 million email addresses for $99.00. I've attached that ad to this letter. As you can see, they make it sound simple, and effective. So, I got a new account and that's what I sent out over the weekend, but only a very small test portion. I thought I'd just wait and see what happened, as this was a new experiment for me. When I found the abuse newsgroups today, and your War On Spammers note, I knew it was time to stop. Since I am quite afraid at this point, my best best hope is that it can all just die down and go away and nobody will hear of the Euphoria Tape again. To that end, with my surrender in mind, I wish to remain anonymous, if you will allow it. That's why I've sent this note thru eWorld. ("GiffyScan" refers to my hobby of digital photography.) Please know that the Euphoria Tape is a self-hypnosis tape which really works on most people. I also offer and honor a full unconditional money-back guarantee (no takers yet). So the Euphoria Tape is not a fraud or scam, the only transgression is the method of advertising. And I will not "spam" the net again, in any fashion. Following the dashed lines is the advertisement I responded to about 5 million email addresses. Maybe you can put a stop to them as well: ------------------------------------------- IMAGINE ADVERTISING YOUR PRODUCT OR SERVICE TO OVER 100,000 PEOPLE PER HOUR FOR ONLY YOUR CONNECT TIME CHARGES!! Email America Co. specializes in providing bulk email lists for your advertising use. Over the past year we have been able to develop a list of over 20 million email addresses covering the internet. This list is compiled on computer disks in plain ascii text format. Using simple text edit routines, you can extract the email addresses and import them into your address book. This saves you time by not having to type the addresses into an address book! We have developed this list for a variety of our advertising projects with a great deal of success, and have to date seen an 18%+ response rate!! This will of course vary depending on the product or service offered. It is almost impossible to find another form of advertising that generates such a high response rate. By sending your messages during periods of slow online use (avoid early evenings) you can send over 100,000 ads for the price of 10 first class letters by U.S. Mail! Nothing compares! We are offering you 5 MILLION of these same addresses in an easy to use plain ascii text format for only $99! Imagine reaching 5 MILLION people.....with regular advertising it would cost you in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. With our introductory 5 Million your overhead is so low that it takes just a few orders to pay for itself! By using a word processor or the DOS editor or other edit programs, you can have over 100,000 ads ready to be sent in just a few minutes. If you are getting this message then chances are that you have all the equipment you need (modem, AOL software, any software with an address book or email option). The program comes with *complete instructions* and is so simple you will be ready to start the same day you receive the material. We also offer phone and email support FREE to assist you! ORDER NOW! OFFER GOOD ONLY THROUGH OCTOBER 23rd!!!!! ORDERING INFORMATION Customer Name________________________________________ Company Name_________________________________________ Phone-Day (_____)_____-__________ Fax- (_____) _____-__________ Evening (_____) _____-________ Delivery Address________________________________________________ _________________________________________________ City__________________________________ State____________ Zip ___________________________ Email Address ___________________ Products: Introductory 5 Million - 5 million email addresses in an easy _______$99 to use plain ascii text format 10 Million - 10 million email addresses in an easy to use ________$189 plain ascii text format 15 Million - 15 million email addresses in an easy to use ________$269 plain ascii text format 20 Million - 20 million email addresses in an easy to use ________$359 plain ascii text format Subtotal __________ Tax(if applicable) __________ Next Day* (optional- $20) __________ TOTAL $____________ *For an additional $20 we will deliver your order Federal Express Next Day Orders accompanied by a Certified Check or Money Order will be shipped the following day. Other orders will be shipped within 5 business days of receipt of order. Mail your payment today and please complete the above information. Mail payment to: Email America Co. 626 Santa Monica Blvd. Suite 100 Santa Monica, CA 90401 Phone (310) 967-4070 Have questions? Give us a call or email us at emailists () aol com or inetlis () wavenet com =============================== Opinions and thoughts anyone? Shall we accept the apology and surrender? It is companies like the above 'Email America' which we are after, not their customers. By the way, how much money did you send Jeff? How much did you send to the Email America people? =============================== Anyone in the Los Angeles area want to look into the Email America outfit at the street address and phone number given? It sounds to me like that might be a good bunch to work on next. Remember Spammers, we are at war. You will be exposed, with all your laundry -- clean, dirty or otherwise -- left to hang out here and dry. Maybe like Jeff, you will even make the newspapers, so the whole world can see what an affront you are. You will lose, the net will win. Your choices are: 1) voluntarily quit spamming; no more spam from you starting at the time you see this message. Something may be said about you here if you have been offensive enough (or massive enough) in your spam that everyone is complaining; then again, maybe I won't mention you. 2) voluntarily quit spamming and send a note agreeing to it to this newsgroup. It can be anonymous if you are ashamed and don't want to admit to it. If you don't know how to send anonymous mail you can respond to me and I will post it for you here. As for myself -- and I cannot speak for others -- you will be left alone. 3) continue spamming as you have been in the past. Like Jeff Slaton, Kevin Lipsitz *and others yet to come* you will be put on display here; made into a spectacle for other netters. Really, its your choice; you are calling the shots here. I've been inconvenienced all this past weekend with the additional mail coming in and preparing these messages, etc. Don't make me have to keep doing it. PAT
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