RE: Trojan of somesort - Update

["David Gillett" <gillettdavid () fhda edu>]

  I haven't seen it yet.  But I have seen port numbers chosen
judiciously so that if you didn't pay attention to the data
volume and direction, you'd think the box was just surfing 
the web, etc -- outside source ports of 80, 110, 443, ....

Dave Gillett

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Derek [mailto:cissp_ds () cox net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 11:37 AM
> To: incidents () securityfocus com
> Subject: Re: Trojan of somesort - Update
>
>
> In-Reply-To: <182030000.1085678189 () utd49554 utdallas edu>
>
> Paul Schmehl said:
> ------------------
> > Good luck scanning for ports.  The ports they use are completely 
> > arbitrary and infinitely changeable.
> [snip]
> > I have port scanned *known* tagged boxes and found nothing to raise 
> > suspicions.  These guys aren't stupid.  They're going to try 
> and make the 
> > box look as normal as possible.  Some of them even moderate 
> downloads and 
> > uploads to try and stay under the radar and not raise 
> suspicion due to 
> > unusual traffic patterns.
>
> And using port knocking will make things even more invisible. 
>  Anyone seen RATs using this?
>
> Derek