Re: "Quova.net" (Exodus downstream customer)

[measl () MFN ORG (Missouri FreeNet Administration)]

On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Rune Kristian Viken wrote:

:CC: abuse () exodus net - as its obviously where it was sent.
:CC: concerns () quova com - as they are the ones beeing defamed.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     Since this address was nowhere to be found on the Quova "Contact Us",
can we assume you work for, or are closely associated with Quova?

<my own posting/email snipped for brevity>

:Ahh, how I *love* clueless reports.

As much as we "enjoy" your [Quova] corporate propaganda?

:And how I *love* to get lists I subscribe to trashed with ABUSE-mails.
:*blarhg*

Maybe you shouldn't be subscribed to abuse lists?

<Snip of meaningless diversionary B.S.>

:hmm... quova.com host -l shows a bunch of more ip's, and so forth.  Well.. it
:seems the only thing resolving to exodus at all, is the reverse-dns-lookup of
:an IP ... the funny thing is, I cannot see how that can be quova.net's
:responsibility.  Anyone can choose anything as reverse-dns for an ip.   I could
:let one of my Ip's reserve to "lets.show.him" if I want - just edit the
:zonefile.

(1) According to ARIN, the IP in question is assigned to Exodus;

(2) According to *EXODUS* (1-888-2-Exodus, option #1), the IP has been
delegated to "a customer named Quova.com";

(3) I find it informative that after what appears to be a slew of
complaints to Exodus (I have received various off-list copies of similar
complaints by other sites) Quova has apparently deleted the "stealth"
quote from their site entirely:  Too much heat?

(3) If, on the very slight chance you are not actually affiliated with the
creeps at Quova, you might find it informative to do a little more
homework:  Look up their corporate officers on the Quova web page, and
then search on these names.  What do you see?  A *LONG* string of
relationships (buyouts, partnerships, etc)  with Exodus.

:The point here is - you - measl () mfn org - are NOT showing how the IP you
:mention are in connection with quova.net .

Bzzzzt!  Wrong: See item #1 above.  Thanks for playing - now get lost.

:And, your quote from their
:frontpage is - from what I just read at their frontpage, EXTREMELY MISPLACED.

And how is that? It's a direct quote, and in context.  Their page provided
no further information on what they do.  Even now that they have "updated"
their description of themselves, there is still absolutely no indication
of what it is they supposedly *do*.

:Their company is an ISP or something.  Not a "probing company" - at least from
:what I can determine.

And just how did you "determine" this?  Obviously not by reading their
unaltered web site.. Again, what is your connection with Quova?

:"Rune Kristian Viken" <rune () trans4media com> <http://arcade.kvinesdal.com>
:System, Network & Security Administrator.  Phone: (+47) 92 85 34 38

Yours,
J.A. Terranson
sysadmin () mfn org

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