Re: big brother at school

[Benjamin Brown <optikali () gmail com>]

For what it's worth some good may come out of this in the form of a positive
precedent for other courts to draw upon.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Dave Paris <dparis () w3works com> wrote:

> ...or the boundlessness of sheer stupidity.
>
> On 2/18/2010 11:29 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote:
> > Never underestimate the arrogance of power.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org]
> > On Behalf Of Joel Esler
> > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:56 PM
> > To: Dan Kaminsky
> > Cc: funsec; rMslade () shaw ca
> > Subject: Re: [funsec] big brother at school
> >
> >
> >
> > And this is why I am not a lawyer I guess, cause I'm with Dan.  I can't
> > think of any defense the lawyer would have.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Dan Kaminsky<dan () doxpara com>  wrote:
> >
> > "In loco parentis" tends to be pretty powerful, but you know what's
> > even stronger?  Castle doctrine.  It wasn't just the kid that got
> > violated, it wasn't even particularly the kid that got hit.  The
> > school dropped a camera into the parent's home.
> >
> > "It's OK, I was just trying to secretly take pictures of your kid in
> > his bedroom" isn't exactly the greatest defense the world has ever
> > seen.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Brown<optikali () gmail com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Just something to chew on: A number of court decisions (press me
> > harder and
> > > I can search for the titles) rule in favor of the administration of
> > public
> > > schools in cases that would have otherwise been seen a pure violation
> > of a
> > > student's rights. These cases often invoke an argument of In loco
> > parentis
> > > for the administration. Though in every case I have read the rulings
> > > concerned actions taken on school grounds or within close proximity.
> > This
> > > case involves school property (the laptop), but occurs at the students
> > home.
> > > I am curious how this shakes out and what the court ruling (and
> > inevitable
> > > appeal ruling) will say.
> > >
> > > My 2 dinars  =)
> > > -Ben
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon&
> > > Hannah<rMslade () shaw ca>  wrote:
> > > > Date sent:              Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:28:13 -0600
> > > > From:                   RandallM<randallm () fidmail com>
> > > >
> > > > > http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/18/24789.htm
> > > >
> > > > "A federal class action claims a suburban school district has been
> > spying
> > > > on
> > > > students and families through the "indiscriminant use of and ability
> > to
> > > > remotely
> > > > activate the webcams incorporated into each laptop issued to
> > students,"
> > > > without
> > > > the knowledge or consent of students or parents. The named plaintiffs
> > say
> > > > they
> > > > learned that Big Brother was in their home when an assistant
> > principal
> > > > told their
> > > > son that the school district knew he `was engaged in improper
> > behavior in
> > > > his
> > > > home, and cited as evidence a photograph from the webcam embedded in
> > minor
> > > > plaintiff's personal laptop issued by the school district.'"
> > > >
> > > > Always possible that the allegations are wrong or overstated, but, on
> > the
> > > > face of it,
> > > > sounds like this school district could be in very serious trouble ...
> > > >
> > > > (Cue comments about protecting children, and being willing to give up
> > > > personal
> > > > freedoms for a worthy cause, etc ... )
> > > >
> > > > ======================  (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer)
> > > > rslade () vcn bc ca     slade () victoria tc ca
> > rslade () computercrime org
> > > > What you ... call a poor signal-to-noise ratio is the 'glue' that
> > > > holds a community together, that lets us recognize one another as
> > > > people rather than roles.                            - Anton Aylward
> > > > victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm
> > blog.isc2.org/isc2_blog/slade/index.html
> > > > http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/
> > > > http://twitter.com/NoticeBored http://twitter.com/rslade
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