Re: Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model

[Alex Eckelberry <AlexE () sunbelt-software com>]

Fair enough.  It's a trade-off that I would gladly make, however.  I might also posit that if we dedicated the 
financial resouces to stopping plane crashes as we do to airline security, the ROI would be better. 

I suppose what's lost in this whole discussion is the fact that airlines are one attack vector.  You get that nailed 
down, the terrorists will move to shopping malls and other mediums.  This is, after all, what they do in Isreal. 

Alex
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Adriel T. Desautels [mailto:ad_lists () netragard com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:32 PM
To: Alex Eckelberry
Cc: 'Charles Miller'; Paul Ferguson; funsec
Subject: Re: [funsec] Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model

Blowing up mid-air would also make it rather unbearable wouldn't it?   
Somehow I don't think that you'd make it from point A to point B if that were the case.  What's 3 hours versus 3 (or 
more) bits and chunks?


On Jan 5, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Alex Eckelberry wrote:

> Isreal airport security is absolutely intense.  You have to arrive at 
> least 3 hours before your flight.  Every single person is
> questioned (or interrogated, depending on your viewpoint).   Pat- 
> downs, searches, etc.  It really is quite an experience for a person 
> used to the TSA.
>
> Implementing Isreal-like security would make travel a) unbearable and 
> b) incredibly time consuming.
>
>
> Alex
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Miller [mailto:cmiller () securityevaluators com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:00 PM
> To: Paul Ferguson
> Cc: Alex Eckelberry; funsec
> Subject: Re: [funsec] Adopting the Israeli Airport Security Model
>
> I thought Schneier's post made no sense.  To summarize:
>
> Israelis do a good job with airport security.
> The US is much larger than Israel.
> Therefore, the Israeli method would not work in the US.
>
> Huh?  I was with you for the first 2 steps, but that last statement 
> doesn't follow from the first two....
>
> Charlie
>
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote:
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> > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Alex Eckelberry 
> > <AlexE () sunbelt-software com> wrote:
> >
> > > However, they do two things in Isreal which, if JUST those two are 
> > > done well, would obviate the need for removing shoes, spectacles, 
> > > fluids and all other idiocy that we go through now:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 1.      They have a kick-ass intelligence service and
> > >
> > > 2.      They have security people observing passengers and asking
> > > questions.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > These two points would have stopped every single potential bomber, 
> > > including the 9/11 hijackers, Richard Reid and the underwear bomber.  
> > > And we would all be a lot happier, saner and travel would actually 
> > > be a pleasure.
> > >
> > > I would also add that we should move to having portable security 
> > > checkpoints at the gate areas themselves, like in Vienna, rather 
> > > than right in front of the terminal.  Easier to manage small groups 
> > > of people entering an airline than thousands of passengers per hour.
> >
> > "...the Israeli airport security model does not scale." - Bruce 
> > Schneier
> >
> > http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/01/adopting_the_is.html
> >
> > I'm not one to simply parrot Schneier's nuggets of wisdom, but as 
> > outlined in the blog post above, I agree with this.
> >
> > $.02,
> >
> > - - ferg
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