Re: The right to bear arms & make salad

["Daniel H. Renner" <dan () losangelescomputerhelp com>]

And, of course, "everyone knows" (c) that jail is the best place to put 
a criminal so that way he can make up the damage he/she did and then 
rehabilitate him/herself.

The skills learned in jail help the rehabilitation and the recidivism 
rate of previous offenders is very low of course.  :-)

As to the murder rate in the UK, you had better also factor in the rate 
of increase after the ban on guns.  ie: What was the rate BEFORE the 
ban?  Just give the criminals a bit more time to import more guns.

Same thing happened in Australia after their gun ban.

Basic flaw - what right does anyone have to take away the right to 
protect yourself?

Are firewalls next to be banned?
-- 


Sincerely,

Daniel H. Renner
President
Los Angeles Computerhelp
A division of Computerhelp, Inc.
818-352-8700
http://losangelescomputerhelp.com

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big
enough to take away everything you have.'
Thomas Jefferson

funsec-request () linuxbox org wrote:
> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:55:31 -0500
> From: "Richard M. Smith" <rms () computerbytesman com>
> Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad
> To: <funsec () linuxbox org>
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> The murder rate in the U.K. is about 5 times lower than the U.S.:
>
>  
>
> http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapo
> n/
>
> In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of murder
> for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) - a rate of about 1.1 per 100,000.
>
> In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in
> 2004 (FBI, 2006a) - a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were
> carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).
>
> The murder rate in the U.S. has dropped a good bit in the '90s because we
> are putting more people in prison.  In fact, the U.S. has the largest prison
> population on the planet.
>
> Richard
>
> From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On
> Behalf Of Tomas L. Byrnes
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:07 PM
> To: Imri Goldberg; funsec () linuxbox org
> Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad
>
> Since banning guns didn't stop the increase in violent crime, nor universal
> surveillance, more removing the rights of the law abiding must be the
> solution, right?
>
> What happened to the fundamental principle in Common Law that no freeman may
> be debarred the use of arms?
>
> The framers of the US Constitution could see the writing on the wall after
> the Restoration, hence they made sure that our pre-existing rights were
> fully codified.
>
> And don't tell me this isn't about security. Physical security, the right,
> which without the means is meaningless, to defend your life, liberty and
> property, is the basis of all other rights.

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