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Re: How much security does $1 trillion buy?


From: "Brian Loe" <knobdy () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:51:51 -0500

On 8/1/07, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:

How about this one?

He had, at the least, plans for a nuke program - and the means to obtaining one
Ah yes.. the infamous "yellow cake from Niger".  I seem to remember that it
turned out to be totally bogus - and that Valerie Plame was involved in the
discovery that it was bogus.  Would certainly explain why it was convenient
to "out" her...

Actually, it was her husband that handed in a "report" on the Nigerian
sources. He, of course, has no known experience or knowledge of such
topics - but he was getting it from a CIA agent so maybe it came by
way of injection?

At any rate, I'm not referring to the political debacle at all - I'm
referring to the nuclear plans the DoD inadvertently published on the
Internet via their Iraq document publication program. Oh, and their
proximity to countries with nuclear programs.


He had chemical weapons out the wazoo.

Maybe 10 years before we invaded, he had a bunch that he used against some
resistance in the northern provinces.  But where were they when we actually
got there?

We found, during the invasion, mobile chemical weapons labs. We have
stockpiles, apparently, of his chemical weapons. And, we have graves
of victims of chemical warfare. I know, they're not American victims
but they should do - even for you.


Where are all the WMD that we *knew* had to be there somewhere,
as Colin Powell told the United Nations?

Based on a source we had in Saddam's CABINET.


He gassed his own people.

And we poured Agent Orange on our own troops too.  Does that give other countries
the right to invade us?

We did? When/where/what were the circumstances? Like to place a small
wager on the answers being even remotely relevant?


He drained the marshlands, destroying one of the largest wetland
systems in the world (where are the tree huggers on this?!).

By that standard, our refusal to abide by the Kyoto protocols regarding
emissions control puts *us* in a bad light too.

A "bad light"??!! Are you kidding me? Kyoto did NOTHING for ANYTHING
in the environment and the major players that HAVE to be signees of
such an agreement to make it worth the paper its printed on, besides
the US, WERE NOT ON BOARD.

We're talking about an ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM being WIPED OUT. NO LONGER IN EXISTENCE.


And you overlooked another "half-truth" - that we were invading Iraq because
they were major backers of al Quaida.

I never heard that from this administration until after we had won the
war. He did say they were backers of terrorism - and I explained how
that was, in fact, a whole truth.

Nice reply though - you cherry-picked my full truths and tried to sell
the same old lies.
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