Re: [privacy] Social Security Card to be National ID?

["C Q" <kyle.c.quest () gmail com>]

This is a perfect example of throwing everything in one bucket and
oversimplifying things...

1. There's no simple solution.
2. There's no single solution... meaning that there isn't a silver bullet...
Simply saying that documents can be forged, so they are useless is
irresponsible and benefits no one.
Just like with information security... It's all about the "Defense in Depth"
where
you deploy multiple levels of security technologies with different types of
security controls, which compliment each other and which provide additional
levels of security. A unified federal ID is just one of the supporting
tools,
which would simplify the identification process... Let's reduce the number
and the types of documents, so there's one document that everybody
knows how it looks and everybody can verify that it's not a fake
(with various levels of verifications, obviously... visual... electronic,
etc).
You keep saying how easy it is to forge documents... well, with all the
brain
power and the new technology we have we should be able to create
something that's changes it. We have no excuse for not doing that...
Once again, I'd like to use money as an analogy... Give me a counterfeit
bill and I'll be able to tell you if it's a fake... without any fancy
machines
or scanners. If that's possible it should be possible to enhance
the US passport or create a new id that will be hard to forge.

The identification does not stop anything by itself... but it's one of the
supporting
mechanisms used in a multi-layer security system.

This subject is beaten to death already... it's time for it to die :-)

On 5/19/07, Alex Eckelberry <AlexE () sunbelt-software com> wrote:
>  Your argument is apparently based on a) there's a need for proper
> identification and b) that federal identification papers can't be forged.
>
> If it's a terrorism argument, it's on weak ground: All of the terrorists
> who have struck this country have had valid identification (driver's
> licenses, visas, passports).  And it is trivial to forge any public document
> (just go around the back alleys of East LA for an education in forgery).  If
> you're trying to stop terrorism, identification won't do it.  Hasn't worked
> in Israel (which has stringent mandates for identification) and hasn't
> worked in any other country.
>
> And if you're trying to stop illegal immigration, then we're back to
> square one:  What problem are we actually trying to solve?
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* C Q [mailto:kyle.c.quest () gmail com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:17 AM
> *To:* Fergie
> *Cc:* privacy () whitestar linuxbox org
> *Subject:* Re: [privacy] Social Security Card to be National ID?
>
> Good point about another document :-)
> I think it would make sense to use the passport
> as the main federal id document. Unfortunately,
> people get only when they have to travel...
> I also think that it doesn't make sense to have
> 50 different types of driver's licenses. There
> should be one federal driver's license for all
> states. Because each state has its own
> license its easier to get away with a fake
> document... because there's probably
> a couple of people in the entire US who
> actually know how those 50 licenses
> really look like.
>
> On 5/18/07, Fergie < fergdawg () netzero net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Now that's a load of..
> >
> > Listen, I have "proper documents" to prove I am a citizen of this
> > country. Period.
> >
> > I have a a passport, a state driver's license, etc.
> >
> > I don't need another "unified identity document" to ensure I get
> > added to the "master identification database".
> >
> > It's a flat-out foolish endeavor, and no good will come of it.
> >
> > - - ferg
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> > Engineering Architecture for the Internet
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