Re: Canadian revolution

[Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org>]

AHM AHM

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, Drsolly wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, Brian Loe wrote:
>
> > On 10/25/06, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:18:30 CDT, Brian Loe said:
> > >
> > > > congregations that do a LOT of good around the world. How you can
> > > > compare modern Christian religions to the wackos in the middle east is
> > > > beyond me..
> > >
> > > I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that if anything, a greater percentage
> > > of Christians in North America are further around the bend than the Muslims
> > > in the middle east.  Where did "Intelligent Design in schools" and "defense
> > > of marriage" stuff come from?
> >
> > Yes, and the Christians in the Dover case drove car bombs into the
> > school... Gay marriages have been bombed out by Christians concealing
> > bomb vests.
>
> Not in those cases. But they did in these:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4441239.stm
>
> And that's not the only murder associated with abortion clinics.
>
> > > And at least the middle east wackos have an excuse - they don't have a
> > > constitution that codifies tolerance and equality.  We, however, are
> > > actively trying to backslide on those concepts....
> >
> > So their excuse is that they're 2000 years behind the rest of the world?
> >
> > It was mostly religious people who created and supported our
> > Constitution.
>
> Actually, it was mostly atheists, although in those days (just as now) it 
> was hard for a politician to admit that he didn't have an imaginary 
> friend.
>
> > The reason they put so much emphasis on FREEDOM of
> > religion is because they had just broken away from England where there
> > wasn't any,
>
> You're meaning 1776. Actually, at that time in England, we only had one
> restriction on freedom of religion, and that was on the religion of the
> king. Everyone else could be whatever they liked, and that was true since
> (mostly) Cromwell and (entirely) the Bill of Rights, 1689.
>
> > and the people had a tendency to kill you based on your
> > religion.
>
> No, we worked out that this wsn't a good idea in the 1600s.
>
> > The religious folk who came here simply wanted to be left
> > alone to do their thing - and they've done so, for the most part,
> > since.
>  
> No, they went to America because people in England wouldn't go along with
> their intolerance of other religions. This is back in the early 1600s,
> before the Civil War, Cromwell, the Bill of Rights, and before the
> realisation that religious freedom was a good idea.
>
> The Puritans, as you would guess fom their name, wanted to "purify" the 
> English Church. But the church didn't want to be "purified" in the way 
> these guys wanted. So, some of the puritans (the Separatists) bogged off 
> to Holland, and then to America, where they wrote the history and 
> schoolbooks that you were educated with.
>
>
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