Re: Telco Hand-Off of Call Data to Israeli Company?

["Michael Graham" <jmgraham () gmail com>]

I'm sorry, but some of this is just too uninformed to let go.

1.  The UN inspectors whose job is was to know what Iraq was or wasn't
hiding did not believe that Iraq had significant stores of anything worth
worrying about.  The US led a large, multi-national effort to discredit UN
investigations (example: Rumsfeld called inspections "a sham"), but we now
know that only those UN inspectors were even close to right.  When faced
with massive stupidity from elected officials, it's often in your own
interest to look at what their "mistakes" might have gained them or their
friends.  Regardless, there was ABSOLUTELY ZERO credible evidence that Iraq
still had any significant WMD, aside from choosing to believe a dictator's
bluster when convenient.

2. Iraq never supported Al Queada.  Al Queada exists to bring about a
pan-Arabic religious state centered on Iraq and Saudi Arabia.  Iraq being a
(very) secular state made AQ and Hussein diametrically opposed to each
other's goals.  Further, your citing that Saddam supported suicide bombers
proves that you are either pulling soundbites from commentators who you have
never bothered to fact-check, or that you are being deliberately
misleading.  Saddam sent money to the relatives of Palestinians who carried
out bombings in Israel.  Yes, that's very distasteful.  No, it has
absolutely nothing to do with Al Queada.

3.  The Atta meeting was conclusively proven to be a non-starter.  Basically
"OK what do you know?  OK here's what I know.  OK let's not work together."
Again, common enemies do not always make friends.

4.  Yellowcake?  You cannot be serious.

5.  Um, Salman Pak? Again, this shows that you are either completely
uninformed or being deliberately misleading.  The Senate Intelligence
comittie has since established that both the CIA and the DIA concluded that
there was no evidence to support these claims. A DIA analyst told the
Committee, "The Iraqi National Congress (INC) has been pushing information
for a long time about Salman Pak and training of al-Qa'ida." Knight Ridder
reporters Jonathan S. Landay and Warren P. Strobel noted in November 2005
that "After the war, U.S. officials determined that a facility in Salman Pak
was used to train Iraqi anti-terrorist commandos."[Seattle Times, 1 November
2005, p. A5].

6.  What?  I can't even being to refute something that stupid.  Provide a
source.

7. Again.  Source please.

I'd like to leave this whole "LOL Fox news more like FAUX NEWS, am I right?"
conversation with the following:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EJ04Ak01.html (and multiple various
other sources for the same info abound).

Basically, the more you watch Fox news as a primary news source, the more
likely you are to be massively misinformed about multiple vectors of the
whole Iraq/Saddam/WMD thing.

You can argue about whether it's Fox news being deliberately misleading, or
whether they just happen to get an unfairly disproportionate percentage of
the "stupid" population watching them, but the _fact_ is, you're more likely
to have your facts wrong if that's where you got them.


On 5/18/06, Brian Loe <knobdy () gmail com> wrote:
> On 5/18/06, Richard M. Smith <rms () bsf-llc com> wrote:
> > Here are a few examples of the conspiracy theories promoted
> > by the Bush Administration and FNC to go to war with
> > Iraq:
> >
> > 1.  Iraq's vast stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons
>
> There is video footage of these stockpiles take years before. Saddam
> told his own cabinet that he had it.
>
> > 2.  Iraq's support of Al Qaeda
>
> There's little doubt they would have, if they weren't. Saddam flaunted
> his suicide bomber rewards.
>
> > 3.  Mohammed Atta's meeting in Prague in April 2001
> >     with an Iraqi agent
>
> What about it?
>
> > 4.  Iraqi's purchase of Niger Yellowcake
>
> Yeah, that was thoroughly investigated wasn't it? He this wasn't based
> on an English intelligence report is it?
>
> > 5.  The Salman Pak training ground in Iraq for foreign terrorist
>
> What about it?
>
> > 6.  Saddam was behind the 1993 WTC attack
>
> Never heard that one...
>
> > 7.  Iraq and Al Qaeda were behind the the 2001 anthrax
> >     attacks
>
> Never heard that one either - and I watch Fox a LOT, not to mention
> listening to them in the car...
>
>
> >
> > Here's one example of the game:
> >
> > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,39520,00.html
>
> Okay, so because Fox interviewed a guy that stated this, Fox was in on
> the "conspiracy" (and of course no one else interviewed him)? Is this
> your source for most of the above (like the crap I hadn't heard before
> with the anthrax and 93 attack)?
>
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