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Re: Re: Sony-BMG EULA
From: Pierre Vandevenne <pierre () datarescue com>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:49:18 +0100
Good Day, I thought about that issue a lot when I was a disassembler user (as opposed to merely being in a company that publishes a disassembler) Imho, you have four lines of defence - shrink wrap agreements, the ones that were supposed to bind you before you did anything have been considered unsustainable in qite a few cases. - if you didn't agree, where is the problem? - for the agreements saying "By running this program...", just don't run the program. - for the "total disclaimer" agreements that once were popular and specifically stated that no guarantee was made about the program, how could anyone claim the protection/reporting/whatever (insert anything here) actually worked in the first place. These are a bit theoretical. We were threatened once, by a _very_ large company, who apparently didn't like our <quote>"intrinsically illegal"</quote> software. We simply asked what "intrinsically illegal" activity their other branch/department using our product was involved in. That seemed to have settled the case. What's disassembly? What's debugging? Does debugging rely in any way on disassembly? If disassembly suddenly became a totally illegal activity, I guess I'll specialize in writing hostile code; sell our services to the biggest buyer and sue anyone reversing our stuff ;-) Seriously, if anything has allowed people to get accurate information in the IT world, that's the existence of disassemblers and debuggers, the only tools that can tell you what is going on and how it is being done. OSes, compilers and editors are, by far, more dangerous btw. They even allow you to write disassemblers... Seriously, Sony didn't even attempt (as far as I know) to play that game. Thursday, November 17, 2005, 10:19:55 PM, you wrote: KP> FWIW, KP> I never clicked "agree" so that means I'm free to disassemble as much as KP> I want, no? KP> "END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT KP> This End-User License Agreement (EULA) is a legal agreement between KP> you and SONY BMG MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT (SONY BMG), a general partnership KP> established under Delaware law. By clicking on the AGREE button below, KP> you will indicate your acceptance of these terms and conditions, at KP> which point this EULA will become a legally binding agreement between KP> you and SONY BMG." KP> -k KP> _______________________________________________ KP> Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. KP> https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec KP> Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. -- Best regards, Pierre mailto:pierre () datarescue com _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: Sony-BMG EULA Ken Pfeil (Nov 17)
- Re: Re: Sony-BMG EULA Pierre Vandevenne (Nov 17)