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Re: Federal agents' visit was a hoax
From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:19:39 -0500
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:13:56 CST, Paul Schmehl said:
It's not sad at all. It's the inevitable result of repeatedly lying about what the government is doing. The best example is the claim that they spy on libraries, which is what this man was taking advantage of. There's not a single word in the Patriot Act about libraries, but that doesn't stop its opponents from repeating the canard or the press from credulously repeating the canard.
Of course there isn't a single word *about libraries* directly. However, what there *is* in the Patriot Act is language authorizing the issuance of an NSL for "books, records, papers, documents, and others" (usually abbreviated to "business records"). Show me where a library's list of who has what book checked out is *not* subject to section 215 as a business record of the library... (incidentally, 215 is *very* wide-reaching, as it basically says that *any* paper trail you leave *anyplace* is "fair game" for an NSL) http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ056.107 SEC. 215. ACCESS TO RECORDS AND OTHER ITEMS UNDER THE FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE ACT. Title V of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1861 et seq.) is amended by striking sections 501 through 503 and inserting the following: ``SEC. 501. <<NOTE: 50 USC 1861.>> ACCESS TO CERTAIN BUSINESS RECORDS FOR FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE AND INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM INVESTIGATIONS. ``(a)(1) The Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation or a designee of the Director (whose rank shall be no lower than Assistant Special Agent in Charge) may make an application for an order requiring the production of any tangible things (including books, records, papers, documents, and other items) for an investigation to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities, provided
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- Re: Federal agents' visit was a hoax Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 29)
- Re: Federal agents' visit was a hoax Anthony Rodgers (Dec 29)
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- Re: Federal agents' visit was a hoax Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 29)
- Re: Federal agents' visit was a hoax Paul Schmehl (Dec 29)
- Re: Federal agents' visit was a hoax Anthony Rodgers (Dec 29)
- RE: Federal agents' visit was a hoax Larry Seltzer (Dec 24)
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- Re: Federal agents' visit was a hoax David LaPorte (Dec 29)
- Re[2]: Federal agents' visit was a hoax Pierre Vandevenne (Dec 29)
- Re: Re[2]: Federal agents' visit was a hoax Paul Schmehl (Dec 29)
- Re[2]: Federal agents' visit was a hoax Drsolly (Dec 30)
- Re[3]: Federal agents' visit was a hoax Pierre Vandevenne (Dec 30)
- Re: Re[2]: Federal agents' visit was a hoax Paul Schmehl (Dec 30)
- Re: Federal agents' visit was a hoax David LaPorte (Dec 29)