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Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000
From: Gary Baribault <gary () baribault net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:30:09 -0500
The real funny part is where 15 teachers voted .. you mean there are 15 teachers at Dawson that understand the implications of a pen test tool? I am in Montreal and I know Dawson, they are usually much saner than that! Let's see if they now have the guts to do a Mea Culpa and fix this injustice. Gary Baribault Courriel: gary () baribault net GPG Key: 0x685430d1 Signature: 9E4D 1B7C CB9F 9239 11D9 71C3 6C35 C6B7 6854 30D1 On 01/24/2013 10:16 AM, Benjamin Kreuter wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:32:11 +0000 Benji <me () b3nji com> wrote:Someone please explain to me why he had to run a vulnerability scanner to check one vulnerability, and again, how are we still arguing about this? Whether you think he had a 'right' to test this or not, he was either too dumb or too naive to know it was against the law.I do not think the issue is whether or not he broke the law; rather, the issue is whether or not the law serves the people's interest. I am not a Canadian, so maybe I do not really have a say, but given that this kid did not cause any measurable damage, it seems hard to make the case that he should have been punished for his actions. Throwing a student out of school because he used a pen-testing tool is more damaging to the school and to society as a whole than what the student actually did. There is also the matter of the school itself. They were presented with a student who had found a vulnerability, reported it, and then checked to see if there were still problems. Does expulsion really sound like a reasonable punishment to you? Does any punishment seem in order, given that the student made no attempt to maliciously exploit his discoveries? It seems to me that a much better approach would have been to offer the student a chance to present the vulnerability in a computer security class. The school's mission is, theoretically, to teach its students -- why, then, would they remove from the student body someone who could do just that? Sure, maybe the school has a policy of expulsion for any student who breaks the law -- but why would the school expel a student preemptively, before he was even found guilty by a court (or even charged with a crime)? If he had been arrested, it would have made sense for the school to put him on academic suspension until the conclusion of his criminal case, at which point a guilty verdict might mean expulsion. -- Ben _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 students personal data, (continued)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 students personal data Philip Whitehouse (Jan 21)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 students personal data Jeffrey Walton (Jan 21)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 students personal data Ian Hayes (Jan 21)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 students personal data Jeffrey Walton (Jan 21)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 students personal data Philip Whitehouse (Jan 21)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Nick FitzGerald (Jan 21)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Sanguinarious Rose (Jan 21)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Nick FitzGerald (Jan 21)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Benji (Jan 22)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Benjamin Kreuter (Jan 24)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Gary Baribault (Jan 24)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 24)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Peter Dawson (Jan 24)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Stefan Weimar (Jan 24)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 24)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Jeffrey Walton (Jan 24)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Stefan Weimar (Jan 24)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 students personal data Philip Whitehouse (Jan 21)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Daniel Richards (Jan 22)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Ferenc Kovacs (Jan 24)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Jeffrey Walton (Jan 21)
- Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250, 000 Nick FitzGerald (Jan 21)