Re: iPhone Geolocation storage

["Ivan ." <ivanhec () gmail com>]

and now tom tom as well

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cartech/tomtom-admits-to-sending-your-routes-and-speed-information-to-the-police-50003618/

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Ivan . <ivanhec () gmail com> wrote:
> stevie says it just a bug, a patented bug
>
> http://gawker.com/?_escaped_fragment_=5795442/apple-patent-reveals-extensive-stalking-plans#!5795442/apple-patent-reveals-extensive-stalking-plans
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:46 PM,  <nix () myproxylists com> wrote:
> > > M$ are in the love in
> > >
> > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20057329-281.html
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Ivan . <ivanhec () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Interesting write up, and apparently old news....
> >
> > If you have jailbroken your phone, just use cydia and search for tool
> > 'Untrackerd' to fix this issue. This background process reset the file
> > periodically.
> >
> > I have always said this, after you have JB'd your iPhone, then it becomes
> > a phone :) I hated that apple's bullshit where your phone is completely
> > tied to itunes unless you jailbroke.
> >
> > > > https://alexlevinson.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/3-major-issues-with-the-latest-iphone-tracking-discovery/
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:59 PM, mark seiden <mis () seiden com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > yes, that's right.  on one of the forensics lists someone pointed out
> > > > > that
> > > > > he started google maps for 6 seconds
> > > > > and ended up with 1253 locations in the cache, all with the same time
> > > > > stamp.  those would be potential known
> > > > > locations in your neighborhood.
> > > > >
> > > > > much fuller disclosure in
> > > > >
> > > > > http://markey.house.gov/docs/applemarkeybarton7-12-10.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > including that the some of the location data comes from.... google.
> > > > >
> > > > > it looks like everything gets anonymized, aggregated to 5 digit
> > > > > zipcodes,
> > > > > and max retention of 6 months, but don't
> > > > > talk much about what the device does except when it uploads data.
> > > > >
> > > > > the congressional disclosure, while it makes me feel better about
> > > > > location
> > > > > data, contains a few choice items like
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > it's unclear how apple can keep app developers from retaining location
> > > > > data.  which doesn't seem forbidden by apple, only by law.
> > > > >
> > > > > it's also unclear why they keep really old data in the cache on the
> > > > > phone.
> > > > >  cache bloat results for little benefit.
> > > > >
> > > > > the android doesn't do time-based pruning either and has a similar
> > > > > location cache with the same data it.
> > > > >
> > > > > it appears to me that since the keying is by mac address or the tower
> > > > > id
> > > > > that there will only be one timestamped item for
> > > > > each of those.  so if you go around the same neighborhood repeatedly,
> > > > > the
> > > > > same data will be in the cache.   so not exactly
> > > > > tracking, just recency.
> > > > >
> > > > > but it would seem prudent to both specify and implement the briefest
> > > > > retention of the location data that was possible to perform
> > > > > the function expected by the user.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Apr 20, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Brandon Matthews wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've been poring over my phone's data, and I'm not sure if the
> > > > > resolution is
> > > > > > just very low, or if it's logging the locations of towers and not my
> > > > > phone.
> > > > > > Ex: http://imgur.com/2m5tO
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm going to xref with FCC databases soon to try and find out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > B
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (Not speaking for Cisco, only for myself and with nobody's approval)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/20/11 12:11 PM, "Michele Orru" <antisnatchor () gmail com> did
> > > > > declare:
> > > > > > > Already twitted today.
> > > > > > > Pretty scary btw. I hope there's not the equivalent for Android.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > antisnatchor
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > April 20, 2011 9:05 PM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For those of you who have not seen this yet:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/04/apple-location-tracking.html
> > > > > > > >
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