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Re: Congratulations Andrew
From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <Thor () hammerofgod com>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:09:53 +0000
"Acceptable use" and "reasonable and customary" clauses, plus a host of other legal associations. I'm not disputing the *logic* behind what you are saying - I would have to say that I of all people think that if you have a search box, that it is perfectly "legal" for me to type 'or 1=1-into it without fear of some whimpering jackass calling the cops on you-- I'm just noting that there is *no law* that explicitly grants you legal right to data simply because it is not otherwise protected. It was your use of "legal right" that I was disputing. The unfortunate truth is that we live in a world where the owner of the asset, even if they can't properly deploy or secure a site, is the one who gets to determine what access was being granted, and what access exceeds their intended usage. Sorry if my "complete horse hockey" response was a bit strong :) t From: T Biehn [mailto:tbiehn () gmail com] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 12:59 PM To: Thor (Hammer of God) Cc: wilder_jeff Wilder; full-disclosure () lists grok org uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Congratulations Andrew So what grants you legal access to aol.com<http://aol.com> (HTTP port 80 get / )? I'm confused? Does search engine indexing grant legal access to online resources? -Travis On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Thor (Hammer of God) <Thor () hammerofgod com<mailto:Thor () hammerofgod com>> wrote: By the same logic, then yes you would. Which is why the statement "if a system has no password, then you have a legal right to whatever data is on it" is complete horse hockey. Don't take technical advice from your lawyer, and don't take legal advice from people on security lists. t From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk<mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk> [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk<mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk>] On Behalf Of wilder_jeff Wilder Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:56 AM To: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk<mailto:full-disclosure () lists grok org uk> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Congratulations Andrew By that same standard.. if you leave your house unlocked.... does that give someone the right to enter it? just my thoughts ________________________________ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:58:27 +0200 From: uuf6429 () gmail com<mailto:uuf6429 () gmail com> To: tbiehn () gmail com<mailto:tbiehn () gmail com> CC: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk<mailto:full-disclosure () lists grok org uk>; Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu<mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Congratulations Andrew Reminds be of Al Capone and tax evasion ;-) Good ol' America. On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:49 PM, T Biehn <tbiehn () gmail com<mailto:tbiehn () gmail com>> wrote: Yes. The FBI was investigating the AT&T incident, presumably the AT&T incident was what the fed were serving against. What possible valid search warrant could be executed? There was no hack, breach, illegal access of data, or anything else for that matter. If you leave a system online with no password which allows you to scrape content you have a legal right to scrape that content. -Travis On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:10 AM, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu<mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu>> wrote: On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:09:22 EDT, T Biehn said:
I doubt the search warrant will hold up in court.
Do you have any actual basis for saying that? Sure, the warrant might be bullshit, it might be solid - the article doesn't give us enough info either way to tell. "Auernheimer was also arrested in March for giving a false name to law enforcement officers responding to a parking complaint." Sad. The dude may have the intelligence to pull the hack, but not have the wisdom to not dig a hole deeper. Just man up and take the frikking parking ticket. ;) -- FD1D E574 6CAB 2FAF 2921 F22E B8B7 9D0D 99FF A73C http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=tbiehn&op=index&fingerprint=on http://pastebin.com/f6fd606da _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started.<http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3> _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- FD1D E574 6CAB 2FAF 2921 F22E B8B7 9D0D 99FF A73C http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=tbiehn&op=index&fingerprint=on http://pastebin.com/f6fd606da
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