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Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street
From: Chris <r0ck () operamail com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:03:31 -0600
----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Schmehl" <pschmehl_lists () tx rr com> To: "full-disclosure" <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:47:41 -0600 --On November 5, 2009 9:12:29 PM -0600 Chris <r0ck () operamail com> wrote:Getting back on topic, it is well-known, and proven, that the NSA has surveillence facilities inside several U.S. telecom carriers. You need only look inside one of AT&T's PoPs in San Francisco for proof.You know this to be true because you've looked for yourself, right? You didn't just take the world of a complete stranger quoted by a compliant press at face value, did you?
The pictures were good enough.
Yes, the NSA might target non-citizens, however, without oversight, who is to know? Don't mention FISA judges either. They have become a rubber stamp for wiretap requests with an approval rate of well over 99.99%.Sure, because we all know those rat bastards at the NSA and all those federal judges don't give a shit about the USA or freedom or personal rights.
What do you say to the 99.99% approval rate? Are the FBI and other enforcement agencies just that good or is there a rubber stamp at work here?
When you forget that the people who work in government are just like you, trying to make a living and do the best they can, it's easy to depersonalize them and demonize them as if they're all blackhearted evil turds. Easy, that is, if you don't have much of a brain.
What an idealistic view. How quant. I suppose you believe in truth, justice, and the American way as well. This is 2009. Wake up, Paul. The government is about one thing -- staying in existence. Given your stance on other topics, I'm surprised you don't realize this.
The same applies to the NSLs issued by the FBI. Not only are targets not permitted to talk about such NSLs, but they can't even acknowledge the existance of such NSLs. And yet, here you are asking for the very proof that cannot be provided.That's hilarious. The surveillance program didn't even survive for four years after 9/11 before someone inside the NSA "blew the whistle" on the program. (snip off-topic ranting)
We aren't talking about the NSA. Try to keep up. The NSLs are issued by the FBI.
And of course Congress knew nothing about it, even though they had been briefed about it dozens of times and never raised a single objection.
No question they dropped the ball. Am only surprised that you didn't expect as much. (snip more off-topic diversionary BS)
Of course we all know that Joe Wilson told the truth and George Bush lied. That should be obvious to any rational person, right?
Nobody mentioned George W Bush. Oh wait...you did. Why is that?
But we'll never know for sure if the "whistleblowers" were motivated by something other than altruism, because you're so deeply concerned about your personal privacy and freedom that it would never even occur to you to question the motives of anyone who agrees with your view of the world.
This isn't about me, Paul. Despite your attempt to divert the discussion.
The fact that you believe that only those who violate their oath of office are honest and only those who never violate their oath of office are dishonest blinds you to the possibility that the truth lies somewhere in between.
Wow. How did you pull that fact out of your ass? Nobody mentioned violating their oaths of office...except you. more diversionary bullshit.
The only question I have for you is... Which government agency is paying your mortgage?The same one that is proposing to pay for your healthcare and control every other aspect of your life because you're too blind to see the forest for the trees.
I, along with my employer, pay for my health care. That's another thing you're wrong about. -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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