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Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street
From: "Ivan ." <ivanhec () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:04:41 +1100
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WourPs56Shc On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:48 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:42:37 CST, Paul Schmehl said:You and millions of others love to conflate those issues with warrantless surveillance of US citizens for the purpose of obtaining evidence in acriminalinvestigation and then scream bloody murder about warrantlesssurveillance andintrusions of our rights.OK, so in your opinion we should sit back and accept the legal theory that "I'm the President, and as Commander in Chief I can give orders contrary to the usual 4th Amendment restrictions" (note carefully that there was *NOT* an actual formal declaration of war made - Congress merely authorized the use of force. Many constitutional law experts seem to think this makes a difference). So it is OK if as President, he decides to suspend habeus corpus? If it's *not* OK, how do you intend to complain once your corpus can't be habeased any more? "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" -- Thomas Jefferson. In other words, the time to raise a fuss is *before* they go down the slippery slope, not once they're 3/4 of the way down and in an uncontrolled slide. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." -- Sinclair Lewis, 1935 And that's why we raise a fuss. You may wish to read Naomi Wolf's "Fascist America in 10 easy steps": http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment And that's why we raise a fuss. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Kurt Buff (Nov 03)
- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 04)
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- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 04)
- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Paul Schmehl (Nov 04)
- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 04)
- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Paul Schmehl (Nov 04)
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- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 04)
- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Ivan . (Nov 04)
- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Paul Schmehl (Nov 04)
- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Gary E. Miller (Nov 04)
- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Paul Schmehl (Nov 04)
- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Paul Schmehl (Nov 05)
- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Ivan . (Nov 05)
- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 06)
- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Gary E. Miller (Nov 06)
- Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street Paul Schmehl (Nov 06)
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