Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires

["Elazar Broad" <elazar () hushmail com>]

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No, and besides, we all have a /dev/null for whatever we don't want
to listen to...

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:04:48 -0400 T Biehn <tbiehn () gmail com> wrote:
> Here's one to mull over.
> Is changing someone's mind with relentless logic tantamount to
> 'breaking and entering' into their mind?
>
> -Travis
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Elazar Broad
> <elazar () hushmail com> wrote:
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> > I am inclined to agree, except that you still have issues with
> the
> > electronic equivalent of breaking and entering. Case in point,
> > there is a good chance you would be arrested and prosecuted if
> you
> > opened the door to another persons dwelling which did not have a
> > lock installed, and installed a lock and left him/her the key,
> > simply because you entered their property without permission.
> From
> > a ethics perspective, most people would judge you a good
> Samaritan,
> > you helped someone else protect their property, however the law
> > doesn't see it that way, primarily because of the fact that, if
> you
> > don't have permission to be there, chances are you are not
> wanted
> > there, no matter what your intentions may be.
> >
> > As far as hijacking bot nets, one who steals from a thief may be
> a
> > thief, but one who stops one in the act is a hero. Bot nets are
> > always "in the act"...
> >
> > On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:00:47 -0400 T Biehn <tbiehn () gmail com>
> wrote:
> > > More people should hijack machines and push updates to them if
> > > their
> > > users are unable or unwilling.
> > >
> > > First an Analogy:
> > > If someone's letting money launders use their bank account to
> > > launder
> > > money out of INACTION that's still illegal, the same SHOULD be
> > > true of
> > > people who leave their systems unpatched.
> > >
> > > These machines are negligently left open to be used in
> 'nefarious
> > > criminal activity.'
> > >
> > > Plan of Action:
> > > It's your civic duty to write worms, hijack botnets and patch
> > > machines
> > > with or without user consent.
> > > This is absolutely moral holding to the various tests (is it
> self
> > > defeating if -everyone- does it etc etc)
> > > Just don't get caught doing it.
> > >
> > > I'm disgusted by the imposition that you'd decry their actions
> for
> > > being illegal when they were clearly moral and represent a net
> > > benefit
> > > for society. Haven't you heard of this guy called Gandhi who
> > > didn't
> > > subscribe to the arbitrary superficial morality provided by the
> > > word
> > > of the law and only acted on what he knew to be moral?
> > >
> > > It's time to elevate yourself out of your own mind-slime and
> into
> > > 2009.
> > > We all still have a long way to go.
> > >
> > > -Travis
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Castigliola, Angelo
> > > <ACastigliola () unum com> wrote:
> > > > Very unorthodox and unethical.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Angelo Castigliola III
> > > > EISRM - Application Security Architecture
> > > >
> > > > Unum
> > > >
> > > > acastigliola () unum com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own personal
> opinions
> > > and do not
> > > > represent my employer's view in any way.
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk
> > > > [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On Behalf
> Of
> > > James
> > > > Matthews
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:10 AM
> > > > To: Ivan .
> > > > Cc: full-disclosure
> > > > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] BBC cybercrime probe backfires
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree! Why can't another people hack into computers to
> > > show.... This is
> > > > such BS and the BBC should be hit hard by what they did.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Ivan . <ivanhec () gmail com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > The BBC hacked into 22,000 computers as part of an
> > > investigation into
> > > > > cybercrime but the move quickly backfired, with legal experts
> > > claiming
> > > > > the broadcaster broke the law and security gurus saying the
> > > experiment
> > > > > went too far.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/security/bbc-cybercrime-
>
> > > probe-backfires/2009/03/13/1236447465056.html
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