Re: The war in Palestine

["Avraham Schneider" <avri.schneider () gmail com>]

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <
buanzo () buanzo com ar> wrote:

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> They were murderers. Haters. Idiots. Motherfuckers. Religion is not the
> only excuse to be a killer.
I agree.


> Please, if you're gonna make excuses, make good ones.

Not making excuses - just contradicting your claims.


> People is bad for many reasons. Religion is
> one of the biggest excuses, HISTORICALLY, but it's not the only one.

Nope, I proved that the biggest historically were Atheists.
As far as religion is concerned, Christianity and Islam are the latest
religious evil-doers in history.

> I wouldn't ever consider killing you, or burying a woman and throw stones
> at her, etc...

Thanks. I never considered killing you or burying a woman and throw stones
at her either. Your point?

> sorry, but
> I think it's time someone creates a mailing list for full-disclousure-ONLY
> (unmoderated, but with a
> more "you're out of here, buddy" policy).

I think you need to re-evaluate your definition of unmoderated. Regardless -
I did not start this thread, just responded to lies posted here under cheap
propaganda. I don't have the time to continue with this thread, especially
since I proved this jerk wrong.

> If anyone owns / is member of such a list, PLEASE, send me an email.
>
> Avraham Schneider wrote:
> > Should I remind you that the biggest murderers of all times: Stalin,
> > Hitler, Mao where motivated by non-religious agendas and were Atheists?
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
> > <buanzo () buanzo com ar <mailto:buanzo () buanzo com ar>> wrote:
> >
> > The bloodshed is caused by idiot people, motherfuckers and things
> > like that. Stop the damn religion
> > of bein g an excuse for your country's desires, ok? Ig god existed,
> > he'd probably be thinking about
> > nuking the hell out of Earth.
> >
> > Alaa Abdelwahab wrote:
> > > Mikael
> >
> > > > This opinion is causing the majority of the bloodshed in the
> > world today.
> >
> > > What is causing the bloodshed is the unjust arrangements that are
> > tying to
> > > be forced somewhere, the same like your example after the WW I.
> >
> >
> > > > The argument can be made that Israel also tried peace, but it was
> > responded
> > > > with my bombings etc. Atrocities have been commited by both
> > sides, this is
> > > > an never ending argument. Both sides need to decide that they
> > want peace,
> > > > make sure they have representatives that also believe in this,
> > and then
> > > > they need to sit down and decide what to do, execute it and at
> > the same
> > > > time curb extremism in their own midst.
> >
> > > What peace they have tried? Did they agree on the tens of UN
> > resolutions:
> >
> > > - Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in
> > Israel.
> > > (General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948 )
> > > - Israel's occupation of Palestine is Illegal. (Security Council
> > Resolution
> > > 242, Nov. 22, 1967 )
> > > - Israel's settlements in Palestine are Illegal. (Security Council
> > > Resolution 446, March 22, 1979)
> > > - Palestinian have the right to Self-Determination. (General Assembly
> > > Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974)
> > > - Reaffirmation of a Palestinian State. (Security Council
> > Resolution 1397,
> > > March 12, 2002)
> > > - The 1947 Partition plan of Palestine and the creation of Israel. (UN
> > > General Assembly Resolution 181)
> > > - Recommends Israel suspend its no-man's zone' in Jerusalem.
> > (Resolution
> > > 127)
> >
> > > All above UN resolutions and other tens of other resolutions to
> > deplores the
> > > Israeli terror attacks against Lebanon/Jordan/Syria/Palestine/....
> > were just
> > > been ignored by Israel and instead they are just trying to force
> > their own
> > > view of peace, I don't call this peace.
> >
> > > Maybe you have a different definition of the terror acts.
> >
> > > When a man bomb himself and kills tens of civil ppl this is a
> > terror act,
> > > but also when a powerful country sends its troupes inside another
> > country
> > > and kills a thousands civil ppl this is a terror act as well.
> >
> > > Don't tell me it is doing that to protect itself.
> >
> > > To protect itself it should respect the UN resolutions. That
> > should only
> > > bring peace to the whole area and we all live in peace.
> >
> > > What I believe is that the UN should force Israel to respect its
> > > resolutions, the same way they did in Iraq and Yugoslavia.
> >
> >
> > > > This is the current situation, it wasn't like this historically.
> > Trying to
> > > > argue that one side is evil by looking at latest developments is
> > always a
> > > > slippery road. You just before said that there were 5000 rockets
> > launched
> > > > in the past 8 years into Israel? Isn't that evil?
> > > > This leads nowhere.
> >
> > > As per the UN resolution which defined Israel as an "occupation
> > forces",
> > > that gives the right to the Palestinian to resist. Any way they
> > see, and we
> > > all should support them.
> > > And as per the International Humanitarian Law "the Geneva
> > Conventions", the
> > > safety and securing a good life for the Palestinian ppl is the
> > > responsibility of Israel.
> >
> >
> > > > Force? As opposed to the parties involved here, I am writing/talking,
> > > > instead of promoting bloodshed.
> >
> >
> > > When I said "force YOUR" didn't mean you, sorry for the
> > misunderstanding it
> > > is my bad.
> >
> > > Brgds...Alaa
> >
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