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Re: SCADA Security Corruption
From: "Fredrick Diggle" <fdiggle () gmail com>
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:31:23 -0600
.... Sure, we aren't always right... I quite often have changed a position in the face of irrefutable evidence. It is a mark of character to admit when you are wrong.
Fredrick Diggle imagines that happens quite often to you eh? Also the hippo says hello :D On Feb 17, 2008 9:21 PM, Bryan L. Singer <bsinger_74 () yahoo com> wrote:
I know Jonathan quite well ... As a public leader in this space (one that is not afraid to stand up in front of crowds and speak a message), you are bound to make some enemies out there, it's inevitable. I can't remember where I heard it, but its a great saying... if you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything... and its sage advice. The challenge is that once you expose yourself to the peanut gallery like many of us do, someone that does not have the same courage is likely to posit the voice of the pessimist. It is much more easy to destroy than create. Sure, we aren't always right... I quite often have changed a position in the face of irrefutable evidence. It is a mark of character to admit when you are wrong. Any tactic involving slamming another peer, throwing under the bus, or spreading uncorroborated information, however, is deplorable. Sure, if JP or anyone else shows up on "The Smoking Gun" with a credible piece of information behind it.. then we can have this conversation. But if we don't have solid proof, better left to say nothing. I know JP quite well and would be happy to know that he worked on my security program. PS: asinine-sasion... that's good... --- worried security <worriedsecurity () googlemail com> wrote:On Feb 17, 2008 10:11 PM, <beenthere () hush com> wrote:So what's the point, Ghostrider, other thancharacter assassination(or is that asinine-sasion)? Simply by highlighting what is at most dubiousinformation, youpresent it as fact and leave the rest tonow-public conjecture.What is your relation to the guy? Indeed, whenwere youfired...and for what? Even if your grudge-specific accusation had asmidgen of truth,exactly how many people sharing that name are inthe US..or theworld for that matter? If you goto:http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/namesearch.html one can get apretty good idea how common the name is, and workthestatistics yourself... Better yet, if I goto asearch enginestarting with Za...I find 5 different people withthe same name,residing anywhere from beautiful Bakersfield, Cato McCalla,Alabama (don't forget your Banjo, pig, andslobbering 'Tard, 'yahear?). The odds seem to be...lacking, Ghostrider. What a nasty, spiteful and cheap way to air yourgrievance againstsomeone -- one can only hope the groundwork you'relaying doesn'tcome back to bite you, hard, when the Karma PoPodemand unfetteredaccess inside 'yer head. Let's be honest here, perhaps a rare, seminalevent for 'ya --you're not performing research, you're trying tothrow this guyunder a bus, an inquisition by any other name --and I'm callingyou out. Ghostrider, the question to everyone's answer isusually found fromwithin, and I hope the looking glass doesn't hurttoo much whenit's pointed your way some day. -BeenThere p.s. Have you seen what the average SCADA adminlooks like? Oneguy in these parts looks like he could have walkedoff the AC/DCTour Bus...and I must say, I can tell when hecomes on shift 'causethe lights burn just a little brighter.If SecurityFocus Robert Lemos and HackerFactor Dr Neal Krawetz and the Funsec crowd can get away with character assassination without legal action, then some Ghost Rider guy on Full-Disclosure is small fry. You know what am sayin? ;) _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter:http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.htmlHosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/-------------- Bryan L Singer Mufris, non Magister ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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