Re: We're letting the bad guys win

[Ureleet <ureleet () gmail com>]

i like ur email.  will note it.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Some Guy Posting To Full Disclosure
<fd.leach () googlemail com> wrote:
> ok this is what this whole thing looks like to me:
>
> To n3td3v:
> You often post ideas and express your opinion to this list. The  some
> (often the more liberal) of us often disagree with you and others mock
> you for your adventurousness. Actually sometimes it looks childish,
> almost as if you're desperately trying to propose the big new thing
> that changes the world.
> The thing is your posting to a list where really, all that happens is
> people (mostly sec companies) post information on vulnerabilities in
> software and news in the sec field.
> You say you came here for information, then LEACH like the rest of us
> - just shut up. If you want a mailing list for proposed security
> project ideas then make one.
> You're enthusiastic and a dreamer who's obviously very forward and
> ambitious with that excellence. Just think before you talk, and maybe
> do something, like sit down and think:
> I want to be $A(as in what you're going to do with your LIFE!). To be
> that I need to get $B done. To do that I have to do $C[]/*<-that's a
> list(:s)*/.
>
> To all that oppose n3td3v:
> Some of you (UreLeet + others) get a little too excited and flame. If
> you don't like how someone acts, what they have to say, who they are:
> then shut up! You don't need to bully something into submission just
> because you don't like it. If you get some angry rush feeling when you
> see a some stupid fat kid majorly embarrass himself by attempting to
> be funny with his freinds and just looking like that annoying retard
> kid the don't bully him! Be gentle and point out the problem
> (privately) (of course first think are you really of a knowledge and
> responsibility to instruct this child how to change his life) OR, much
> better: shut up, and go take your (own) anger out somewhere else, PC
> games do it for me, <www.thepcmanwebsite.com/media/pacman_flash/> -
> even that's good enough.
> btw  n3td3v - I don't think you're a retarded fat child (ur not right?).
>
> Come to think about it: We're being listened to by a bunch of other
> people, mostly geeks who think FD is the shitz where all the l33t sec
> companies go for their patches and sec news (it isn't!). But are we
> all just doing this crap for the benefit of out audience. I mean I
> could have written these things to the individuals they where intended
> for. Hell I could have taken my own advice and shut up, blocked the
> troublesome email addresses, and carried on with my life (I'm a
> hobbiest). Are You All Just Doing This For The Benefit Of The Sec Gods
> We Wish We Where?  THINK ABOUT IT
>
> Oh also I don't care about me - I'm a leach, I'll should probably not
> post on this list unless I have something decent to say too.
>
> On 12/9/08, Ureleet <ureleet () gmail com> wrote:
> > thats all he does is deflect, weve established that he never gives a
> > real answer.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Elazar Broad <elazar () hushmail com> wrote:
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> > > Brilliant use of deflection, keep it up, you might end up as some
> > > loser serial rapist on Law and Order, oh wait, they want actor's,
> > > not the real thing...
> > >
> > > On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:55:08 -0500 n3td3v <xploitable () gmail com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Paul Schmehl
> > > > <pschmehl_lists () tx rr com> wrote:
> > > > > --On Tuesday, December 09, 2008 00:25:18 -0600
> > > > Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:03:57 GMT, n3td3v said:
> > > > > > > We need to stop this back and forth fighting its making
> > > > infosec look
> > > > > > > bad, this isn't what infosec should be about.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's making one very small insignificant corner of infosec look
> > > > bad.
> > > > > > Let's keep a sense of perspective, guys.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or, to look at it another way, it's tying up all the idiots in
> > > > one place and
> > > > > keeping the rest of infosec unsullied.  :-)
> > > >
> > > > I agree,
> > > > But full-disclosure shouldn't be full of idiots so why do we let
> > > > it be
> > > > that way. It's because we reply to them that it happens. I was
> > > > gullible and naive to reply to them, i'm not replying to them
> > > > anymore.
> > > >
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