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Re: defining 0day
From: "Adrian Griffis" <adriang63 () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:37:44 -0500
On 9/25/07, Brian Loe <knobdy () gmail com> wrote:
On 9/25/07, Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org> wrote:No longer good enough. We can get a press scare over a public vuln release, or a wake-up call. I think we can do better as an industry.Who, then, rewrites all of the reference material? And doesn't any new definition simply become definition number 2 in Webster? Is it really the definition that is lacking or is the use of the word at issue? Seems to me, from the beginning of this debate, that its the usage. Far easier to reform the "zero day process" (disclosure, etc.) than to redefine the term "zero day". The term is owned by the public, the process is owned by those who follow it, the industry.
I understand why this descriptivist approach is tempting over a prescriptivist approach. But it's important, I think, to keep in mind that the public uses the word "illegal" when they really mean "unlawful" and uses the word "Schizophrenic" when they are talking about multiple personality disorders. All technical fields have their jargon, and the general public is simply not well educated enough about the issues involved to arbitrate disputes over usage. Just as the legal profession needs the word "illegal" with its proper meaning, we also need our jargon to facilitate precise discussions about security matters. The public can't always be the source of our definitions. Adrian _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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