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Re: [WEB SECURITY] Re: comparing information security to other industries
From: coderman <coderman () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:02:05 -0800
On 12/25/06, Andre Gironda <andre () operations net> wrote:
... how about never? http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/papers/acm-predict.pdf it is quite likely that the implications of risk in information security is something we just have to live with for our lifetimes and probably our childrens' lifetimes.
how seductive; to discard accountability and responsibility with sophistry. there is risk, and there is gross incompetence. the vast majority of software developed does not pursue even trivial security assurances. look at the month of kernel bugs to see how common and trivial validations are ignored in critical kernel interfaces to file systems and device drivers, thus subverting the integrity of the entire operating system and applications. it is indeed folly to expect perfection in a human process of software engineering, but it is nothing less than incompetence and dishonesty to suggest that the existing state of affairs is somehow unavoidable.
here's a disturbing question - when is law enforcement going to mature to the point where there is no crime?
law enforcement is a better example of the requisite defense in depth and reasonable risk management than current IT practice. there are elements of prevention, anomaly detection, continual refinement, mitigation, and accountability in place. compared to modern software and information technology systems it has progressed by leaps and bounds. we don't need perfection, but we do need to accept responsibility for the truly crappy state of IT software and systems in place today. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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- Re: [WEB SECURITY] Re: comparing information security to other industries Andre Gironda (Dec 25)
- Re: [WEB SECURITY] Re: comparing information security to other industries coderman (Dec 26)
- Re: [WEB SECURITY] Re: comparing information security to other industries Krainium (Dec 26)
- Re: [WEB SECURITY] Re: comparing information security to other industries Michael Zimmermann (Dec 27)
- Re: [WEB SECURITY] Re: comparing information security to other industries coderman (Dec 27)
- Re: comparing information security to other industries coderman (Dec 19)
- Re: comparing information security to other industries Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 19)
- Re: [WEB SECURITY] Re: comparing information security to other industries Dinis Cruz (Dec 22)
- Re: [WEB SECURITY] comparing information security to other industries Nick FitzGerald (Dec 21)
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