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Re: Publicly Disclosing A Vulnerability
From: phased <phased () mail ru>
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:15:27 +0400
Firstly, html email sucks! Secondly, I think the situation has no preferable solution from a customer stand point. Disclosure Exposes customers to unprepared risk by mallicious intruders with the knowledge of the vulnerability. While vendor writes a patch, customers are potentially at risk for an undefined period of time. People who know about it: everyone! Scenario: Mad rush to write and install patches before system gets compromised Propogation windows for virii and worms --------------- Non-Disclosure Safe only from people who dont know about the vulnerability. People who know about it, either: Work for the company People with agreements on its disclosure Mallicous intruder that has obtained the information Scenario: No patch, if an intruder gets hold of the information and starts compromising systems and or writes a worm, there will be the same mad rush as the disclosure scenario as people start to possibly notice. The risk reduction assosciated with non-disclosure is based on the probability that a mallicious intruder will not obtain the information or discover it themselves before the patch is released to customers. However even when the patch is released, there is the same disclosure associated infection/compromisation window before customers can install the patch. Even automated systems will not be able to deliver it to every customer instantaneously. So to summarise, disclosure is chucking the shit @ the fan and non-disclosure is a gamble. Both cases do not have an amazing outcome this is the nature of vulnerabilities. However if we look at it from a moral stand point, if the customer has paid for a peice of software, they deserve to know whats wrong with it. By reporting bugs you might be increasing the long term security of the application, but in the short term you can potentially cause a shit storm. If you look at it from another point of view, why should you report bugs for free to a company that is making money from some software. My brief thoughts on the subject. -----Original Message----- From: "Josh Perrymon" <perrymonj () networkarmor com> To: <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:52:14 -0500 Subject: [Full-disclosure] Publicly Disclosing A Vulnerability
Ok, I believe in working with the Vendor to inform then of vulnerable software upon finding it in the wild so on... But I have a question... While performing a pen-test for a large company I found a directory transversal vulnerability in a search program- I used Achilles and inserted the DT attack in a hidden field and posted it to the web server. This returned the win.ini.. Cool.. Well... I called the company up and got the lead engineer on the phone.. He seemed a little pissed. He told me that they found the hole internally a couple months ago but they don't want it public and they said I should not tell anyone about it because they don't want their customers at risk. So I ask the list- what is more beneficial to the customer? Not publicly disclosing the risk and hoping that they follow the suggestions of the vendor to upgrade? Or waiting 30 days and send it out? Joshua Perrymon Sr. Security Consultant Network Armor A Division of Integrated Computer Solutions perrymonj( at <mailto:perrymonj () networkarmor com> )networkarmor.com Cell. 850.345.9186 Office: 850.205.7501 x1104 _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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