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Re: Hacking Boot camps!
From: "sk / GroundZero" <fd-list () g-0 org>
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:58:57 +0100
Yes i do remember, been messing with it on a test box years ago, but what i mainly want to say is that i have to agree with the discussion. I started in 1994 and by that time it was even hard for a beginner to find the right informations. The security industry didnt exist and everyone learned on his own. Nowdays its exploited to make money all the books tell the same basic stuff over and over again, wrapped in a new exciting cover..only a few that tell interesting stuff but no news. This trainings are mainly for people who have no clue, a real hacker wont need such courses, so why complain :P Also what many people dont get is that security is maintaniance and not hacking and security consultants are just steam blowers that use automated tools to pretend they would understand what they do, but hardly know the basics... -sk http://www.groundzero-security.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" <wilder_jeff () msn com> To: <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Hacking Boot camps!
Speaking of script kiddie stuff... bbs's and the like... anyone remember VCL?.. virus creation labratory? -Jeff Wilder CISSP,CCE,C/EH -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/CM/CS/O d- s:+ a C+++ UH++ P L++ E- w-- N+++ o-- K- w O- M-- V-- PS+ PE- Y++ PGP++ t+ 5- X-- R* tv b++ DI++ D++ G e* h--- r- y+++* ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------From: ReK2GNULinux <rek2 () binaryfreedom info> To: "Ivan ." <ivanhec () gmail com> CC: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Hacking Boot camps! Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:14:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from lists.grok.org.uk ([195.184.125.51]) by
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List-Subscribe: <https://lists.grok.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/full-disclosure>, <mailto:full-disclosure-request () lists grok org uk?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk Return-Path: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2005 01:15:02.0075 (UTC) FILETIME=[543F20B0:01C5EFCB] I agree that is how we did it 10 + years a go there were no courses, no books, just BBS's with docs and ezines. and still the best way of doing it. Chris Fernandez Ivan . wrote: nicely said. Set up your own lab at home, using vmware or alike and hack, crack all
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like. On 11/22/05, InfoSecBOFH <infosecbofh () gmail com> wrote: In my opinion all of the so called "hacking training" out there is horrible and nothing more than a money grab. Look at the SANS courseware, it is out of date and shit. The best training is to read, google, and play on your own. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- --------------------------------------- | I WON'T TRADE HUMANISM FOR PATRIOTISM | --------------------------------------- dias que se acuesta uno sin aprender algo es un dia malgastado Microsoft is not the answer, Microsoft is the question, the answer is no. gtalk: rek2wilds () gmail com jabber: rek2 () binaryfreedom info_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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