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Re: complaints about the governemnt spying!
From: bkfsec <bkfsec () sdf lonestar org>
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:35:02 -0500
Leif Ericksen wrote:
Ahh, but there's a BIG difference between willful or unwillful ignorance and intentional ignorance.It comes back to ignorance of the law is no excuse.
It's one thing to not know a law that you should know; it's a completely different thing to be blocked from knowing the law and expected to respect it.
For instance, in securing networks, corporate security personnel in the United States should be familiar with Sarbanes-Oxley and the like, at least in passing. Compliance is expected because compliance can be tested. Not being aware of the requirements of Sarbanes-Oxley is not an excuse because the law is readily available and transparent. However, if the government passed Sarbanes-Oxley and then turned around and said "But for security reasons, the requirements are classified and even the judges can't see them without clearance..." that would be different.
How can you guarantee compliance with a behavior when you don't have access to the standard?
This is no different than any other standard of behavior. If people are not allowed to know the laws, they have no way to verify their complicity with them. I respectfully submit that the situations are different in their entirety and that in the case of a classified law, ignorance is intentionally created as a function of the creation of the law.
Such things cannot simply be written off. -bkfsec _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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