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Re: complaints about the governemnt spying!
From: Leif Ericksen <leife () dls net>
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:04:43 -0600
There are those laws that are direct and clear cut, and there are the ones that takes an act of congress to decide what is legal or not. ;) Regulations of HIPPA as I understand it are very confusing, and can lead to a person being a law breaker if they do not follow the regs correctly, same can be said of SOX. Then there is always the patriot act. Now there used to be a time that if you did not like the president of the US you could speak out publicly against him. Well I heard of an incident in Chicago, IL when Clinton was president that somebody expressed his dislike of the man with profanity and was jailed for a weekend Late Friday-Monday and no charges were filled. Now he could have been jailed on the OLD law that is still on the books that states you can not cuss in public in front of a woman, much like the law that states you can not spit on the ground (1930 law is it?) Laws are crazy and sometimes stupid much like it is legal to have SEX with a sheep in Wisconsin. Any folks from Wisconsin here might be able to tell us if that is still the case or not. The sad thing is ignorance of the law is no excuse. screaming and crying about it does NOTHING. IT takes action. IF we do not like something we have to contact our elected officials, or try to run for office ourselves to make the change. The biggest problem is the government moved to fast. IF you want to indoctrinate people into a new idea or concept and have less complaints, you have a few things that you have to do. 1 make the people stupid 2 start with the youngsters (Children, I have 3) hope the parents are stupid and so they do not try to teach their kids themselves. After all it is common practice and always has been common practice to have a police officer assigned to the local High School correct? (Wait I did not have one when I was in School) After all we have always had the WWW have we not? With that we have always had monitoring in place so if an extra level of monitoring is in place it is no big deal right? Wait, I had no idea what the WWW was when I was in school nor did I know what IRC was, but in college I used a relay off of PSUVM and had IRC like chats with folks /role It is a process that is moving far to fast. To argue, well the schools or companies can monitor the networks because it is the property of the company but the government can not monitor the networks is actually a weak argument. After all who owns the primary data channels? Who funded the Internet here in the US (US Tax dollars to the US government ARPA/DARPA). Crying and whining they can not do this is just wrong. The government can monitor the traffic that passes within its boarders and do monitor it here and in other countries. The only way to fight this effectively is to become politically active, as well as to properly educate CHILDREN and net newbies that this is not how it used to be. It is all in the matter of the laws, making them understandable, and not attaching stupid riders (PORK) that have nothing to do with the law just to make it pass. Well these 20-30 folks do not like this law that we are trying to pass, they do like this little 50 Million$ expense that we 20 - 30 do not like so to make this easier to pass lets attach their expense to this bill a matter of compromise. That kind of crap has to stop. But since I am not one of the members of the Hill Gang I can not do anything about it other than educate my children and call my elected officials. (I have done that) -- Leif Ericksen On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 05:32 -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:28:16 +0100, GroundZero Security said:your last point was "*IF* you are not doing *nothing illegal*How does a US citizen know they are doing "nothing illegal", when the government apparently feels that secret laws are acceptable, and thus could be in violation of some Kafka-esque law that won't be revealed to the guilty party? (Those who think I'm kidding should go read up on Gilmore v. Ashcroft)
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- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying! Leif Ericksen (Dec 28)
- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying! Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 29)
- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying! Leif Ericksen (Dec 29)
- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying! Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 29)
- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying! bkfsec (Dec 29)
- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying! Leif Ericksen (Dec 29)
- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying! bkfsec (Dec 29)
- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying! Leif Ericksen (Dec 29)
- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying! GroundZero Security (Dec 28)
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