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Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove
From: coderman <coderman () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:56:35 -0800
On 12/26/05, Leif Ericksen <leife () dls net> wrote:
Echelon???? YAWN... That is old news that is like 10-15 years old and was first announce like 8-10 years ago was it not...
yes, an old program, but what version are we at now? 1.0 was telephone and radio; we're a long way from those days. the powers that be are not eager to divulge capabilities and life cycle. likewise DCS1000 is probably in the geriatric stages; much better methods are available with more capability. it too is more a placeholder for a class of intrusive monitoring than a particular model of equipment in a specific configuration.
Encryption? when it comes time to NSA/CIA/Omega Sector or other unnamed government agencies if they want to decrypt it they can... That is my belief.
do you mean breaking ciphers or breaking bones? the cheapest route around strongly keyed ciphers is the easily deceived and fallible human component after all... [[ i'll avoid a discussion of side channels available to billionaire budgets, but i still believe a strong implementation of a modern cipher is too expensive to attack directly. ]]
Really if we have nothing to hide we should not fear them listening to us.
i hope one day you realize how dangerous this line of thinking is. history can provide you a wealth of examples worth considering. unfortunately history also tells me people like you won't realize it until it is too late. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Current thread:
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove, (continued)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Geo. (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Rodrigo Barbosa (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Joshua Levitsky (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Leif Ericksen (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Steve Kudlak (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Leif Ericksen (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove GroundZero Security (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Leif Ericksen (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Stan Bubrouski (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Frank Knobbe (Dec 26)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove coderman (Dec 26)