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Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove
From: "GroundZero Security" <fd () g-0 org>
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:49:29 +0100
the usa still controls the internet and they dont give a fuck if we feel that our privacy is invaded since we are all foreign countries to them and anything outside the usa should be sniffed as they could be potential terrorists. remember only usa is the "free world" lol (in their opinion) they want total control and noone can do anything against their actions. even nato is powerless against usa thats why noone ever says something if they fuck up. the us. gov knows that exactly. they dont have to execuse themselfs for things not even to their own people. if they are forced to give out information they lie their way out. manipulation is something the us gov is specialized in. with google earth you can even find a nsa echelon base in germany. i wonder what its doing there. i bet they use it to sniff our country aswell and our neighboors, since its not there for the fun of it. what if my country would start to spy on usa isp's ? that could cause serious political problems, but of course for usa everything is ok, as we have seen in the past. oh and for your law question, usa doesnt care about international laws. if you have problems you will have to ask a us. court and i doubt that will help you much complaining about some agency especially when you are from some foreign country. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bipin Gautam" <gautam.bipin () gmail com> To: <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: [Full-disclosure] Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove
hello list; story: http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/85 ----[snip]----- At issue are the broad, sweeping powers the NSA now have to eavesdrop on Americans without their knowledge. Commentary from Ars technical speculates on the technology behind the massive eavesdropping. Bruce Schneier has a long commentary on historical abuses as well as the NSA's use of Echelon, a massive initiative that monitors voice, fax, and data communications and is used for data mining of perhaps 3 billion communications per day. ----[/snip]----- My concern is... (I'm from Nepal) not all ISP in my region go through the Nepal's Internet exchange point. so even the local traffic might have routed through USA if our ISP'z backbone providr is in USA. I don't have very good idea about ledal stuff but my basic assumption is BUYING SERVICE FROM A DIFFERENT COUNTRY DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE NECESSARILY SUBJECTED TO THEIR LOCAL RULES. (though depends on country foreign policy) Have our network traffic been spyed/sniffed too without our knowledge? Don't we have right of protection in the law to check such thing if any??? just willing to hear your views on what are the rules to check/tackle such issues in other foreign countries??? regards, -bipint story: http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/85 ----[snip]----- At issue are the broad, sweeping powers the NSA now have to eavesdrop on Americans without their knowledge. Commentary from Ars technical speculates on the technology behind the massive eavesdropping. Bruce Schneier has a long commentary on historical abuses as well as the NSA's use of Echelon, a massive initiative that monitors voice, fax, and data communications and is used for data mining of perhaps 3 billion communications per day. ----[/snip]----- My concern is... (I'm from Nepal) not all ISP in my region go through the Nepal's Internet exchange point. so even the local traffic might have routed through USA if our ISP'z backbone providr is in USA. I don't have very good idea about ledal stuff but my basic assumption is BUYING SERVICE FROM A DIFFERENT COUNTRY DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE NECESSARILY SUBJECTED TO THEIR LOCAL RULES. (though depends on country foreign policy) Have our network traffic been spyed/sniffed too without our knowledge? Don't we have right of protection in the law to check such thing if any??? just willing to hear your views on what are the rules to check/tackle such issues in other foreign countries??? regards, -bipin -- Bipin Gautam Zeroth law of security: The possibility of poking a system from lower privilege is zero unless & until there is possibility of direct, indirect or consequential communication between the two...
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- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Gary E. Miller (Dec 26)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Michael Tewner (Dec 26)
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- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Byron Sonne (Dec 26)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove GroundZero Security (Dec 26)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove coderman (Dec 26)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Bipin Gautam (Dec 26)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove J.A. Terranson (Dec 26)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Leif Ericksen (Dec 26)
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