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RE: [inbox] RE: Example firewall script
From: "Exibar" <exibar () thelair com>
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 13:23:27 -0400
Wasn't the original poster's question about FW rules and not ACL's? If you had ONLY "Allow ANY ANY", why bother having the firewall in place at all? You'll never be LESS secure from the nasties on the 'net than that... well unless you're just running a base un-patche OS, etc... If you had only "Deny ANY ANY", nothing would get in or out through that firewall, so why wouldn't that be the "most secure" rule? Again, might as well just unplug from the 'net completely, you'll never be more secure from the nasties on the 'net than that. I kinda assumed that people would realize that these are not practical rules to have in place without other rules backing them up. I for one don't believe you should EVER have an "Allow ANY ANY" rule, anywhere in your rule list, "Deny ANY ANY" should be the last rule, IMHO. heheh, I never meant to be the catalyst for such a huge battle between people.... Exibar
-----Original Message----- From: ericscher () mac com [mailto:ericscher () mac com] Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 12:42 PM To: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk Subject: [inbox] [Full-disclosure] RE: Example firewall script ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ================================= ORIGINAL MESSAGE: ----------------- Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 From: "Exibar" Subject: Example firewall scriptThe absolute worse Firewal rule you can have: Allow ANY ANY The best: Deny ANY ANY================================= REPLY: ------- Actually, that's not true. I would agree that as a general rule of thumb you should have a deny statement at the end of every ACL. In fact, Cisco places an implicit DENY ANY ANY at the end of their ACL's automatically. However, Access Control Lists are not firewalls. Yes, we use them as firewalls, but that's not what they are. ACL's ARE TRAFFIC SHAPING DEVICES. As traffic shaping devices, they can be used for security, but they are also used for management purposes. For instance; many Autonomous Systems are multi-homed. There are decisions to be made about how traffic will flow in and out of the AS. You also have to decide if you wish to be a transit AS or not. ACLs are the tool that you use to control your traffic. While an ACL being used as a security device should have a deny statement at the end, proper construction of the ACL is more about following the proper construction rules. This is actually a huge subject, far too big for an individual e-mail to a list. But there are some basic rules to keep in mind: ACL's analyze traffic from top to bottom, so keep your most specific entries at the top, with more general entries near the bottom; and do your "permits" before your "denys". That means you deal with hosts first, then subnets, then networks, and at each level you have your permit statements before your deny statements. The reason for this is because once a packet matches a line, it's dealt with right then and there. You don't want to have a packet thrown away just before a line that would have permitted it. There are also issues of what KIND of ACL to use and where to place them; Inbound or Outbound. In terms of the original question, the only difference between a "good" line item or a "bad" line item is whether or not the syntax is correct. The only difference between a "good" ACL and a "bad" ACL is whether or not it's structure is properly designed and whether or not it's placed in the proper location. This subject REALLY calls for a book, not an e-mail response. I've said very little in this post and look at all the room it took up. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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