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Re: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal.
From: Stormwalker <bruen () coldrain net>
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:53:58 -0400 (EDT)
Hi Vincent, The theft is theft of services, not the TV show. cheers, bob On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Vincent Archer wrote:
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 11:43:22AM -0500, Ron DuFresne wrote:Vincent, I think you lost track in your reply, he was not talking about braondband cable access to the internet, he was talking about cable TV services being stolen in this case, and the teft of the 'service'....On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Vincent Archer wrote:On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 11:41:49AM -0700, Jesse Valentin wrote:How about using a digital de-scrambler for cable service? You?re getting something you?re not paying for? isn?t that stealing? True, its not a vital service, but isn?t this still plain ?ol stealing?The initial post was about de-cramblers, i.e. watching TV programs you haven't paid a subscription for. It's not stealing. The TV programs you "stole" are still there, and every single subscriber had access to them. Hence, no theft has occured. Fraud, however, has occured in that case. I know habit still puts theft to use where nothing is ever stolen. You still talk about "stealing secrets" in espionage, for example. Nothing is stolen in that case either. In general, you cannot steal, in the real sense of the word, information. But theft is much shorter and convey better the sense of badness than "illegal duplication and access".
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- Re: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal. Cedric Blancher (Oct 09)
- Re: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal. Ron DuFresne (Oct 08)
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- Re: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal. Harlan Carvey (Oct 08)
- Re: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal. Anders Langworthy (Oct 08)
- Re: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal. Jesse Valentin (Oct 08)
- Re: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal. Vincent Archer (Oct 11)
- Re: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal. Ron DuFresne (Oct 11)
- Re: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal. Vincent Archer (Oct 12)
- Re: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal. Stormwalker (Oct 12)
- Re: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal. Vincent Archer (Oct 12)
- Re: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal. Harlan Carvey (Oct 08)
- Re: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal. Jesse Valentin (Oct 11)