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Re: House approves spyware legislation
From: Mark Shirley <mshirley () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:04:37 -0400
Blah blah blah, it's about as useful as the war on drugs. Certin drugs are illegal, it hasn't eliminated much, pirated software is illegal, an old lady asked me for a copy of xp yesterday. You arn't going to get it all. Most laws are nothing more then a basis for prosecution. People still murder, but law puts them behind bars. Some innocents will get hurt but war is hell right? This is a step in the right direction and will provide clear grounds for prosecuting criminals who are caught. Hopefully the ones who contribute the most to the problem. Personally I don't see a single aspect of this law that hurts hacking. On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:46:51 -0400, Micheal Espinola Jr <michealespinola () gmail com> wrote:
Yes, clearly laws don't always work and people find loopholes. So instead of making new ones to compensate, lets just stop. Great idea. I'm surprised that the law enforcement community has not come to this conclusion. ...And don't both discussing the appropriate changes to make to existing flawed laws or the prevention of new inappropriate laws. Lets just be negative, pass blame, and not be proactive about a solution. Are there any professionals on this list, or just people who like to rant about policies and companies that they don't like? "By a 399-1 vote, House members approved legislation prohibiting "taking control" of a computer, surreptitiously modifying a Web browser's home page, or disabling antivirus software without proper authorization." Yes, clearly this is a law against "hacking"... *sigh* On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:07:38 -0500, Todd Towles <toddtowles () brookshires com> wrote:Why make more computer laws...when the current computer laws can not be enforced correctl? We all know that the CAN-SPAM Act really cut the spam out of our e-mails *sigh* Then the INDUCE act will make half the stuff in a normal person's house illegal. Making laws is just playing around...paper on top of paper doesn't stop anything. It all falls back to the old saying - Action speaks louder than words.-----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Gregory Gilliss Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:04 AM To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] House approves spyware legislation Great, Not that I'm any fan of spyware, but this is just another law against hacking. Think - what's the difference between this and someone using XSS to "take control" of a computer? If you r00t a box and deface the home page, then you've broken this law. <sigh> Instead of fixing the problem (poor software security) we pass laws to punish the people who do the things that illustrate the problem. Basic philosophical differences, blah blah blah ... Worst of all, do you really think that the spyware rackets will slow down or cease because of this? Nope - they'll just migrate out of the jurisdiction. -- Greg On or about 2004.10.06 06:03:18 +0000, RandallM (randallm () fidmail com) said:The U.S. House of Representatives voted late Tuesday torestrict someof the most deceptive forms of spyware. By a 399-1 vote, House members approved legislation prohibiting "taking control" of a computer, surreptitiously modifying a Web browser's home page, or disabling antivirus softwarewithout proper authorization.http://news.com.com/House+approves+spyware+legislation/2100-1028_3-5397822.h tml?tag=nefd.top thank you Randall M _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html-- Gregory A. Gilliss, CISSP E-mail: greg () gilliss com Computer Security WWW: http://www.gilliss.com/greg/ PGP Key fingerprint 2F 0B 70 AE 5F 8E 71 7A 2D 86 52 BA B7 83 D9 B4 14 0E 8C A3 _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html-- -Micheal _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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Current thread:
- House approves spyware legislation RandallM (Oct 06)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Gregory Gilliss (Oct 06)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Micheal Espinola Jr (Oct 06)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Ron DuFresne (Oct 06)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Gregory Gilliss (Oct 07)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Gary E. Miller (Oct 06)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: House approves spyware legislation Todd Towles (Oct 06)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Micheal Espinola Jr (Oct 06)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Mark Shirley (Oct 06)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 06)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Micheal Espinola Jr (Oct 06)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation James Tucker (Oct 06)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Gregory Gilliss (Oct 06)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation RandallM (Oct 06)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Bankim J. Tejani (Oct 06)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Simon (Oct 07)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Bankim J. Tejani (Oct 07)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Simon (Oct 07)
- Disclosure policy in Re: RealPlayer vulnerabilities Martin Viktora (Oct 07)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Bankim J. Tejani (Oct 06)
- Re: House approves spyware legislation Eric Paynter (Oct 07)