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joe the "expert" (was Re: IE is just as safe as FireFox )
From: Maurizio Trinco <maurizio_trinco () yahoo com>
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:16:52 -0800 (PST)
"joe" <mvp () joeware net> wrote:
[1] Don't get me started on MCSEs. As a whole I
think they hurt Windows far
more than any other thing. A bunch of people who
feel they are experts in
Windows because they took a couple of tests that 10
year olds could memorize
and pass and yet still not be able to run anything.
The best I can say about
MCSEs is that I will *try* not to look down upon
them for being MCSEs and
let them prove themselves to be worthless before I
assume it in person. Now from joe's own site, comes this fully untrue statement: 'So what is a Microsoft MVP? The flip response is a Microsoft MVP is a person who answers the questions the MCSE/MCD/MCT folks ask.' My dear Joe, Let's see what Microsoft has to say about MVPs: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;mvpfaqs&style=flat Are Microsoft MVPs experts in all Microsoft technologies and products? No. Although many MVPs have in-depth knowledge of more than one product or technology, none of them are experts in all Microsoft technologies or products. So, my dear joe, you are nothing but an ego-inflated bullshitter. Your verbal diarrhea is only matched by your unbelievably low level of competence when it comes to Microsoft products. Being an MCSE is much more than answering some "how do I send a message with Outlook" in one or two newsgroups. I worked really hard for my MCSE titles and honestly, the idea that I (or any of my colleagues) could seek enlightenment from you is simply ridiculous. If you think that passing exams like 216, 296 or the design exams is something an... er, MVP could do... then you'd better think again. While I'm an MCSE, I'm by no means an ass-kisser for Microsoft, as your MVPiness seems to be. Their products, contrary to popular belief, could be extremely complex (try real life business environment, compared to that unlicensed version of Windows 2003 server you're running at home) and many times extremely badly written and vulnerable -- but very complex nevertheless. Saying otherwise, only proves your lack of specialization (hint: familiarity is NOT specialization; you may be 'familiar' with your colorful XP, but that makes you by no means a 'specialist'). Oh, and something else: for some 10 years before I became an MCSE, I was the typical Unix admin. I used to laugh at Windows NT, I stopped laughing at 2000. I'm by no means friends with hip-kiddies who think Linux is cooler than Window$$$, I really dislike Microsoft-moronized Windows ass-kissers like you, who only know buzzwords, but have no real knowledge of the system. You should go together and exchange some fanatic e-mails; you belong in a place where 'my-OS-is-longer-yours' fights 'windows-2003-is-secure-by-default-'cause-Billy-told-us-so'. Anything else... is just proving yourself how MVP and not MCSE you are. Or whatever Unix/IT certification you may choose, other than the ridiculous MVP thingie. Take care and don't let the bedbugs bite. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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