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RE: FW: Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment
From: "Cassidy Macfarlane" <cmacfarlane () Drummond-Miller co uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:12:06 -0000
I'm sorry - I have re-read this email, trying to understand your position, however, I cannot avoid seeing this as a troll. Chld abusers, whether on- or off-line, cannot be compared to 'hackers', regardless of their hat colour preference. I do not believe there is anyone on this list who would condone Child pornography. We are interested, and employed in the field of Computer Security. This sometimes involves full disclosure - If a financial services website is repetetively hacked and defaced, due to poor security, it is a 'Good Thing'(tm) for this fact to be made public, ie published on a website. If I understand your position, you would not want this information made publicly available, as it would be 'for other hackers to get a kick over' (quote) This list is dedicated to the disclosure of Computer Security-related information, and exploits and vulnerability details are regularly posted (amidst the politics :) - would you have this list (and it's archives) closed down also? Agree with the charter or unsubscribe. Thanks PS - it is widely accepted that the type of people you are referring to are known as 'crackers' - not 'hackers' - I am a 'hacker', and I have never defaced a commercial web site. /me whistles innocently -----Original Message----- From: n3td3v [mailto:xploitable () gmail com] Sent: 17 November 2004 23:19 To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: FW: [Full-disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:29:19 -0700 (MST), Bruce Ediger <eballen1 () qwest net> wrote:
Unfortunately, the US Government operates under the auspices of a
small
document called "The Constitution", and a little concept called
"Common Law".
Now, I know that you trendy kids call things like that "quaint" (I
believe
that's what our new Attorney general calls things like the Geneva
Convention.
See
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/06/13/wguan13. xml&sSheet=/news/2004/06/13/ixworld.html)
but fortunately for the rest of us, "presumption of innocence" remains the standard of the land. If you small-minded totalitarians don't like that sacred principle,
get
the hell out of the US. We don't need your kind. Move to some Banana Republic where they change the rules all the time in the face of 1000 years of tradition and philosophy and the Blood of Patriots who died
to
protect these rights. "Zero tollerence". What will these doofuses think of next? I bet
they
start up a cult of personality around the nation's leader, including a new salute borrowed from the Romans.
I don't live in the U.S thankfully, I live in a sane country called the U.K Would you agree with closing down a site that was letting child abusers to post links to illegal child porn photographs? Would the site owner be able to say, we aren't involved with any of these links, we just provide the site for the criminals to do it, so other child abusers can get links easy to child porn photos. But no, when we move onto online malicious hacker crimes, its ok for sites, such as zone-h, which allows malicious hackers to post links for other hackers to get a kick over, just like a child abuser would by visiting a child porn photo. Imagine a child abuse site which also kept a score board of the biggest amount of child porn photo posters. Yet again we move onto malicious hacker online crimes, it seems to be different for zone-h to keep scores of the biggest malicious hacker defacement posters. Why one rule for one online crime promotion site and not the same rule for another online crime promotion site? I guess you would allow a child porn promotion site, like you think its ok for zone-h to be online promoting online malicious hacking and not closed down. Thanks,n3td3v http://www.geocities.com/n3td3v _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- Re: FW: Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment Barrie Dempster (Nov 18)
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- Re: FW: Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment Jason Coombs (Nov 17)
- RE: FW: Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment Michael Simpson (Nov 18)
- RE: FW: Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment Cassidy Macfarlane (Nov 18)