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Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked
From: Keith Oxenrider <koxenrider () sol-biotech com>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:28:33 -0600
I would like to suggest that the core problem with elections in the US (electronic, opscan, hanging chad, etc.) is that the system is NOT in the hands of the electorate, rather in the hands of partisan political appointees who have no interest in any system designed in an open, verifiable way. I like what I read in Prakash's paper, but I have read many such proposals and many alternatives many of which have mathematical proofs (some better than others) and all open. Instead of our government (I am a US citizen) asking experts in secure communications to design/validate an open system (take DES and AES for example) we have political backroom pandering being done obscuring (indeed attempting to make illegal to even study) the system implemented. Until (and if) this changes there is no hope that any open, independently verifiable system can be put in place. No one in the security biz would accept the use of a closed-source cryptography system, why the heck are we using a closed source election system?
At 08:40 AM 11/10/2004 +0200, Jei wrote:
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Jay D. Dyson wrote:-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Atom 'Smasher' wrote:Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was HackedRead the whole thing and didn't see any evidence. Just wild speculation and baseless conjecture. Hell, there were countless counties across the nation in which more people were registered to vote than were eligible residents, but -- for some reason -- that ain't news.It would be _major_ news, were it not America where it happened. Even India managed to hold a secure digital election recently, without any such major exit poll or other discrepancies happening. Also note that Americans aren't the only people in the world with capable intelligence agencies. Teenage kid hackers aren't the onlypeople who might influence US elections' outcomes, given a viable chance. You need to consider all the factors.Digital voting needs to be as secure and reliable as bank accounts are from an independent (democratic) nation's national security pointof view. A digital vote discrepancy == national bank account discrepancy, in it's importance, in this regard.Arguing that vote discrepancies don't really matter, is like a system admin arguing that system binary checksum discrepancies do not matter.In any case, it means you're royally f*cked, and although you may wish to fantasize otherwise, it doesn't change the reality. You need to know that you're secure, or your security people aren't doing their job. // Jei http://www.infosecwriters.com/hhworld/hh9/voting.txt Hitchhiker's World (Issue #9) http://www.infosecwriters.com/hhworld/ Observable Elections -------------------- Vipul Ved Prakash <mail () vipul net> November 2004
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- Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Jei (Nov 09)
- Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Tom Le (Nov 10)
- RE: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Gary Halleen (ghalleen) (Nov 10)
- Re: RE: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Adam Jacob Muller (Nov 11)
- RE: RE: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Larry Seltzer (Nov 11)
- Re: RE: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Adam Jacob Muller (Nov 11)
- Re: RE: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Adam Jacob Muller (Nov 11)
- Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Kluge (Nov 10)
- Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Jay D. Dyson (Nov 10)
- Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Michael Poole (Nov 10)
- Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Keith Oxenrider (Nov 10)
- Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Jay D. Dyson (Nov 10)
- Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Keith Oxenrider (Nov 10)
- Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Jay D. Dyson (Nov 10)
- Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Matt . Carpenter (Nov 11)
- Re: Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 11)
- Re: Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Matt . Carpenter (Nov 11)
- Re: Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Paul Schmehl (Nov 12)
- Re: Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 12)
- Re: Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 11)
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- RE: Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Carlos Kramer (Nov 10)
- RE: Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked Larry Seltzer (Nov 10)
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