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Re: [in] Re: IE is just as safe as FireFox
From: Stefan Schatzl <stefan.schatzl () rubig com>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:59:10 +0100
devis wrote:
Please run some unix or at least read about the unix permission system, and lets pray god this sheds some light in your mono cultured brains. Here are the relevant points:1) Despite recent ameliorations of MS ( multi user finally, permissions ... ) and some effort at making the system more secure, something very
Finally? Microsoft Windows NT 3.1 had already in 1992 most or all of the permissions and multi-user "functionality". Perhaps you refer with 'finally' to Microsoft Windows XP, which is the current incarnation of the NT operating system.
important is still left out: The first default user of the MS computer is made an administrator. This comes down to giving uid0 to ur first unix user. Unix does NOT do that. It requieres you to use su and become root ( administrator ) after proper credentials submission ( password ).
This is not correct for each and every unix flavour.
The first user is NOT and administrator, and any recent Unix documentation will insist on the danger of running as root(admin). Unix keeps the admin account well separated from the user account, which MS
True. [ ... MS ... ]
DOESN'T, despite all wrong arguments i read on this list. VERY BAD practice generally. So its user friendly, as the user has admin rights
Wrong. The NT operating system has the same 'true' privilege separations as any other modern operating system. Sadly, the vendor chose to blur the distinction on the surface for Joe Average which causes major problems. It would be a better choice to force the average user to create a normal unprivileged account during system installation like Mac OS X does.
> Isn't security important and supposedly the goal of
recent MS developpements ? If they really did target security, their
True goal is making as much money and influence as possible.
This is why, Firefox being independant from this OS that carries 60 of its code base as being legacy code for older system hardware and
The Mozilla Suite (and Firefox) already existed for some years.
Lets not hide from ourselves whats needed from MS to reach modern world security: a complete rewrite, and a ditch of old Dos base and the 20 years old legacy code.
Microsoft Windows NT is a complete rewrite from scratch. MSDOS is being emulated in a virtual machine called NTVDM. Microsoft Windows XP is not the first NT version, mind you.
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