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RE: Network Sniffing
From: "xtrecate" <xtrecate () spymac com>
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:45:37 -0800
I wasn't alive during the Nixon's reign of wtfs, but I don't think Nixon, or indeed anyone engaging in underhanded political subterfuge, would be particularly worried about the log files at insecure.org, which is what my commentary pertained to. "This depends heavily on who decides what a felony is. Just consider free speech in China. Brings you right into jail. And I wouldn't go as far as to put the FBI (or any other such agency) beyond doubt. Same applies to our (german) authorities as well." I was not instilling blind faith into the FBI, more trying to provide a perspective not so tainted by the paranoia intrinsic to many of the messages I see pass through FD. --xtrecate -----Original Message----- From: lee.e.rian () census gov [mailto:lee.e.rian () census gov] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:47 AM To: xtrecate Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Network Sniffing
People intending to commit felonies over the internet, obviously, have something to worry about... though I'm not sure why anyone would be sympathetic to their plight.
It's not only felons or even just people that intend to commit felonies that the FBI investigates. Are you old enough to remember Nixon & Hoover? -----Other Original Message I'm Replying Too----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Florian Streck Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:57 PM To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Network Sniffing On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 08:26:41PM -0800, xtrecate wrote:
The article states that the FBI served subpoenas for specific information from insecure.org, likely after finding evidence that some specific
attacker
(who, no doubt, did something which deserves to be investigated) retrieved data from insecure.org. It would appear they are simply trying to cross-reference logs to discover an attacker's real IP address. This is pretty legitimate, and Fyodor was apparently very diligent in ensuring all information was retrieved via legal methods. People intending to commit felonies over the internet, obviously, have something to worry about... though I'm not sure why anyone would be sympathetic to their plight.
This depends heavily on who decides what a felony is. Just consider free speech in China. Brings you right into jail. And I wouldn't go as far as to put the FBI (or any other such agency) beyond doubt. Same applies to our (german) authorities as well.
Take a look at: http://www.insecure.org/tools.html[...] Note: The FBI is monitoring HTTP logs from insecure.org. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/25/1835238&from=rss
Florian -- Memory fault -- core...uh...um...core... Oh dammit, I forget! _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- Re: Network Sniffing Willem Koenings (Dec 02)
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- Re: Network Sniffing Stef (Nov 30)
- Re: Network Sniffing Scott Renna (Nov 30)
- Re: Network Sniffing Danny (Nov 30)
- Re: Network Sniffing Unknown (Nov 30)
- RE: Network Sniffing xtrecate (Dec 01)
- Re: Network Sniffing Florian Streck (Dec 02)
- RE: Network Sniffing xtrecate (Dec 02)
- Re: Network Sniffing Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 03)
- Re: Network Sniffing Vincent Archer (Dec 06)
- Re: Network Sniffing Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 03)
- RE: Network Sniffing xtrecate (Dec 03)
- RE: Network Sniffing J.A. Terranson (Dec 05)