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RE: lame bitching about xpsp2
From: "Dinis Cruz" <dinis () ddplus net>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:13:07 +0100
I'm interested about this comment of yours (which I see repeated in a lot of places): "...They need to forget DOS (which they can't)..." What do you mean by DOS? Are you talking about "cmd.exe" or are you talking about the current: - design of the windows Kernel? - way the user-mode APIs work? - way the device drivers operate? - use of interrupts? Also, please expand on what you mean by "...get really permission security ..." Best regards Dinis
-----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure- admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Todd Towles Sent: 13 August 2004 18:31 To: devis; Full-disclosure Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] lame bitching about xpsp2 I agree that Windows would improve from a core OS rewrite. They need to forget DOS (which the can't) and get really permission security. I agree. But to blame MS for the current lot of malware still on the internet isn't fair. I run Windows XP (along with Linux boxes) at the house and I don't pollute the internet with that junk. But of course we are computer people and we can't turn that off, we can't think like normal people anymore. We are fully aware of the dangers of online banking at home directly connected to the internet thru a cable modem and no router. But sad to say, normal people are not..and will not understand. To quote a movie, they are the cattle and we are the cowboys of the new digital wild west. -----Original Message----- From: devis [mailto:devis () easynix net] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:02 PM To: Todd Towles; Full-disclosure Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] lame bitching about xpsp2 I am getting nimda probes because nimda from a start was made possible by MS designing a web server full of damn holes ( read not tested, deadlines, time is money ). Do not blame the people not patching their boxes, as it is the problem today, but not the problem that caused it. That is what i am talking about short term memory. Track problem at their source instead of fixing now whats leaking., and will releak soon another way. Aren't we likely to see a new worm attacking MS systems in the next future ? Of course we will. Time to stop pretending computing is easy just to sell their damn sofware, and educate people about computer security, which is the reverse of what they have been doing, for all these years. Applauding the change of direction ? I don't cause it is higly hypocrit, otherwise the new pop up blocker of Internet Explorer will block ALL popups. Beside, the unix based permissions system has proven far superior, ask apple. Still shameful that the default XP install, in 2004, at these malware times, still logs you as an administrator . Would you feel safe using ur *nix box as root everyday ? I wouldn't. If Ms is really serious, they wouldn't design lame things from a start. They do want you to have to patch. They do want you to consume and buy plenty anti virus, personnal firewall etc etc. Don't beleive me ? Take a look at the svchost.exe and how it werks. So i hope SP2 will reduce these bogus traffic everyone sees. Wake UP before its too LATE. My 2 cents. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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