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OT: Bush Bashing (used to be Has Verisign time arrived ?)
From: Ivan Raikov <raikov () cc gatech edu>
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:29:20 -0400
Dark Avenger <Dark-Avenger () comcast net> writes:
This isn't the place to discuss political and personal views of our country and leadership, but you 2 just opened the door.
Normally, I wouldn't bother replying to Repugnican trolls like yourself, but your cluelessness is so profound, I just can't help it.
This is typical liberal dribble attacking our president for an "immoral war" and being "weird".
Sir, the person you refer to as "our president" is neither; he was appointed to the presidency by the Supreme Court, which chose to legislate from the bench and vote their political agenda through, without any respect and regard to the Constitution of the United States and Florida state law. Now, I think the protests against this illegal and immoral war, albeit regarded with so much contempt by you, conveyed a clear message by the American people: George Bush is not us, he does not represent the United States, and we will work together to remove him and his friends from power.
Your only agenda is to try to discredit an administration that finally has some morals and integrity and does what's right for the country (and even for the ungrateful world community), unlike the prior administration.
Republican morals and integrity. Holy penguin on a bicycle. Let's just look at some of the "accomplishments" of this misadministration: -Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any other presidency in US history. -Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. -Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts. -Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history. -Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other administration in US history. -Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history. -Presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history. -During his first year in office, George Bush set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history. -Failed to permit, in the 18 months following the 911 attacks, any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States. -Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history, and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed. -Biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation). -Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world. -After winning the sympathy of the entire world (on 9/12 French daily _Le Mond_ had a front-page headline reading "We Are All Americans Today!"), George Bush managed to alienate pretty much all of the allies of the United States, including Turkey, whose military and political ties with the United States have traditionally been very strong. How can you piss of Turkey is beyond me. In contrast, Clinton managed to win Greece on his side when NATO was about to attack Iraq. I'll only say that the Greeks don't particularly like the U.S., because of the latter's military ties to Turkey. Clinton was the reason why many people abroad viewed the U.S. very favorably throughout the nineties. Including Palestinians. Clinton was greeted as a hero during his recent trip to Kosovo. Now what were you saying about Chimpy again?
Where were your criticisms when the Clinton administation launched cruise missles into Iraq without UN approval?
If you think that launching cruise missiles in Iraq is on par with a full-scale invasion, you're delusional.
Where were your criticisms when the Clinton administation attacked Serbia without UN, or even Congress' approval?
Serbia was attacked by NATO (that's the allies of the United States that His Imperial Chimpiness pissed off, in case you don't know). Besides, there was a MASS GENOCIDE going on at about the same time. In contrast, when Saddam was "gassing his own people" in 1988, the Ray-gun administration covered it up. I'm sorry: was there a point that you wished to make?
Where were your criticisms when the Clinton administation bombed an aspirin factory?
Oh no! The Air Force made a mistake during one of their missions. Clearly, that condemns the entire Serbian operation.
Now this isn't about the Clinton administration, but it illustrates the level of hypocrisy of those that bash the current administration.
A republican talking about hypocrisy. Can you say: Bill Bennett and Rush Limbaugh? I knew you could.
Every nation in the UN agreed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction,
Care to provide some evidence to the above statement? Seems to me that the report of Hans Blix and Mohamed el-Baradei claimed quite the contrary.
so you can't pin the label on the Bush administration, as if they lied about it and used it as the only reason to liberate the Iraqi people. This was only 1 of many reasons for going into Iraq, and the liberals are trying to cast it as the only reason.
These are the facts: 1) George W. Bush is a liar. 2) Dick Cheney is a liar 3) Colin Powell is a liar. 4) Donald Rumsfeld is a liar. 5) Condoleezza Rice is a liar. These people repeatedly asserted that a attack with WMD by Iraq was imminent, even though every single one of their statements regarding the issue was thoroughly debunked MONTHS before the actual invasion. Now, I don't care how Karl Rove and company started spinning the war after it became clear that THERE ARE NO FUCKING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
People like you seem to forget or ignore the 17 UN resolutions that Iraq had violated. And how the UN doesn't have enough backbone to enforce their own resolutions.
No, they are not forgotten or ignored. This is not, however, a reason to go to war. Do you understand this?
You seem to forget or ignore the routine and systematic torture and execution of political prisoners that Saddam's regime carried out.
The routine and systematic torture happened under the administrations of Ronald Reagan (dipshit) and George Bush senior. They are the ones who ignored it, they are the ones who sold weapons to Saddam in the 1980s. Or are you forgetting that Donald Rumfilled was meeting with Saddam to negotiate these purchases?
You seem to forget or ignore their use of chemical weapons against Iran that resulted in an estimated 600,000 to 1,000,000 Iraqi Kurd's and Iranians dead in 1980 - 1988. This in itself proves he had weapons of mass destruction, and everyone knows it. They hid entire squads of fighter jets underneath the desert sands, showing how easy it would be to hide small barrels of chemical and biological agents.
Hello, Earth to Nimrod: The fucking Republican party was in charge in 1980-1988, and they sold Saddam the weapons of mass destruction. Really, is there any part of this that I'm not enunciating properly enough for your thick, wooden, Republican head to comprehend?
You seem to forget or ignore their invasion of Kuwait in 1990-1991.
You seem to forget that United States and allies counterattacked and liberated Kuwait following that invasion.
You seem to forget or ignore the bloody mass killings of 30,000 to 60,000 Kurd's and Shite's in 1991.
Sadly, that was Poppy Bush's doing; or shall we blame Clinton's penis instead?
You seem to forget or ignore the Rape rooms and imprisoned children and execution rooms used regularly by this regime.
Apocryphal stories made up by Kurdish refugees. Thoroughly debunked many years ago. Next!
And how the women were suppressed and made 2nd class citizens by not being able to be seen in public, or drive, or go to school, or vote (vote? what a laugh, even for those who could).
Um, what? Iraq was not under the Shariat law, moron. You are thinking of Arabic countries with Muslim government. Iraq had a secular government. You really are fucking clueless.
Thank God we finally have an administration that is willing to do what's right to protect us all.
Dude, this guy is a business partner of the bin Ladens. He is only loyal to his business interests. He is not loyal to the people of the United States, the Constitution of the United States, or any other moral code and principles. It's time for you to get off the turnip truck and get on the clue bus.
This new world we live in since 9/11/2001 (of course you've forgotten about that too, I'm sure) requires us to take the battle to the terrorists and their allies before they take it to us.
Which is precisely what Clinton did. Don't forget that it was that outgoing Clinton administration whose officials briefed Condoleeza Rice on the impending threat from Al Qaeda. The Bush administration did not act on that information until 9/10/2001.
Do you actually think for one minute that Iraq wouldn't hand over WMD to terrorists with the intent of using them on our homeland?
Iraq did not possess weapons of mass destruction, nor did it actively support any terrorist groups at the time it was attacked. AND QUIT YOUR GODDAMN STUPID HATE-MONGERING, YOU ASSHOLE!
This is a pro-active approach to warding off terrorism before it hits again. If this administration hadn't taken this approach, and then we had an attack on LA, or San Francisco, or any other place in the US, then you would have been bashing the administration for not protecting you. If France, or Germany, or any other nation on this earth had been attacked like we were, then who do you think would be the first people they called upon to help them out? And we would have done it without hesitation.
Well, the Clinton administration did it. The Bush administration failed.
God Bless the USA, and yes, the President too
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