RE: Proxies

["Bassett, Mark" <mbassett () omaha com>]

Doesn't matter, you can still set up a squid http proxy on port 80 and
funnel everything through it.  Web traffic will appear through port 80.
If you analyzed the protocols, and made sure nothing but http traffic
was going through port 80 you would eliminate using other apps through
the port 80 proxy, but you cannot eliminate a port 80 http proxy for
http traffic.  You could set a policy in your domain to restrict proxy
settings, but a user could always use a different browser (group policy
only effects IE)  Currently I use a squid http proxy on port 80 to
bypass my own firewall to listen to shoutcast radio, IRC, and ftp to
non-standard ports.  Protocol inspection and analysis could eliminate
some of this, but would the overhead be worth it?  You could do a couple
things to detect that people were using proxies though.  Parse through
your logs / ip accounting for repeated hits to hosts on port 80 and the
source ip, have it email you those ips and investigate.  

Mark Bassett
Network Administrator
World media company
Omaha.com
402-898-2079


-----Original Message-----
From: Charles E. Hill [mailto:chill () herber-hill com] 
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:36 PM
To: Earl Keyser
Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Proxies

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You can never get around it, as you're aware -- proxies on ports 80, 20,
21, 
22 or something else really common will always be available.

However, since you need to show due diligence, you can do the following.

1. Have the administration set a policy with some teeth.  "If you avoid
the 
proxy, your account gets suspended" or some such.

2. And I'm not sure how easy this will be... restrict protocols to their
known 
ports.  Configure your firewall to only allow HTTP traffic through Port
80, 
and not other ports.  FTP only through 20 & 21.  SSH only through22,
etc.

Don't allow HTTP headers through any other port.


On Friday 31 October 2003 09:20, Earl Keyser wrote:

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Charles E. Hill
Technical Director
Herber-Hill LLC
http://www.herber-hill.com/

> Help needed, please.
>
> We use all cisco networking gear. Currently using a cisco cache engine
> with SmartFilter to "manage" the surfing for our staff/students.  As
> usual, the little devils figured a way to get around it.
>
> They went to Google, entered "open proxy list" and bingo-bango.  From
> this list they found open proxies to use in IE.
>
> Besides suspending them, we made one technological change. Outgoing
> ports 8000, 8080, 8888 and 3128 are now blocked at the firewall.
>
> Can anyone suggest further refinements to reduce this kind of abuse? I
> know some proxies run on port 80, but I'll have to live with that.
>
> TIA
>
> Earl
>
> Earl Keyser, Network Specialist
> Wayzata Public Schools
> 763-745-5105
>
> "Unix IS user-friendly. It's just picky about who its friends are."
>
>
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