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Re: W2k users, local admin rights and GPOs


From: yossarian <yossarian () planet nl>
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:21:14 +0100

It makes me wonder, what legacy software needs local admin to function. In
my experience it is more common that the admins don't know or don't care how
to make ' strange ' software work under W2k, and generally it is software
considered not-supported and non-standardized. The last part usually gives a
useful vector to get rid of these security liabilities.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Exibar" <exibar () thelair com>
To: "James Exim" <security () exim dyndns org>;
<full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] W2k users, local admin rights and GPOs


It's actually very easy to prevent any policies from coming down to your
system if you have local admin rights.  What you do is first, delete the
policies from the registry, then deny everyone (except for a locally
created
user) access to the policy key.  You'll see the failures in the event log
when a new policy attempts to get written.  Viola!  no more policies....

  Easy as pie....

  Exibar


----- Original Message -----
From: "James Exim" <security () exim dyndns org>
To: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 3:50 AM
Subject: [Full-disclosure] W2k users, local admin rights and GPOs


It has been pointed out several times recently on the SF mailing lists
that
a W2k user with local administrator rights can prevent group policy
application on his/her machine and there is apparently nothing the
domain
administrator(s) can do about it (see


http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/securityfocus/focus-ms/2003-09/0106.h
tml
for an example)

Does anyone know exactly (a) how, and (b) why this is possible?  Is
there
really no workaround other than removing the users from the local
Administrators group?  I keep discovering W2k machines where end users
have
been granted local admin rights (yuk!) and I'm trying to convince the
relevant domain admins that, while this is an easy way to make legacy
software work, it isn't such a great idea from a security point of
view...

Thanks,

James

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