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Re: NASA.GOV SQL Injections
From: Ron DuFresne <dufresne () winternet com>
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:17:42 -0500 (CDT)
Corporate politics are one thing, and certainly a pain. Real gov related working env's have a totally *different* political perspective. Think of it like this; for the most part, politicians are lifers. once elected, they will be in the game for pretty much the rest of their life, nevermind any scandals, as the voting public tends to have a short memory. But, I agree, there are some folks, on the technical end that want to do their jobs and do their jobs well and take pride in their work. Course, we soon learn, rather then 'tell' someone you are going to impliment something, just silent;y do it, otherwise you are in a wolrd of political time warp as parties fight for dominion over the implimentation, and it gets so distorted that the functionality is lost once the meetings and group wars are completed. If you do and tell not, most often the most fallout that comes is you are forced to undo, until it's seen that shits on the fan at the backout and mgt begs/demands that the stopgates are replaced <smile>. Yes, I could tell some tales, but, then it's gonna take a few Hienkens for me to feel comfy enough to just spew it forth <grin>. But, seriously, google on GAO and pay mind to 'audits', that's a tale in and of itself, and ongoing.... Thanks, Ron DuFresne On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Gregory A. Gilliss wrote:
FWIW my experience with NASA, while limited, has been equivalent to many large private sector organizations. The rank and file people, including Directors and Assistant Directors, are intelligent, conscientious people who run headlong into uncaring, frustrating upper management bureaucrats who cannot or will not listen to their input. Also, because the organization is broken up into several regional and sectional groups, political rivalries have developed that get in the way of organizational goals. Like I said, same thing as corporate America: politics as usual. "We are the people our parents warned us about." G On or about 2003.10.17 13:03:52 +0000, Ron DuFresne (dufresne () winternet com) said:Of course, one might think the same thing about the FED gov and the various states govs. Untill one looks at pay rates, and how they compare to the private sector. And that pays little or no mind to the POLITICS in such places. One does not merely work in a gov related setting, one HAS to play a political tightrope walk, with less the proportional pay that private sector jobs provide. Thus, when the OSB and GAO audits and their released findings that make it into the headlines and before congress now and then come as no surprise. I did an interesting article on the state of cyber security a year or so ago mentioning some of this for TISC Insight Newsletter, and a copy can be found at http://sysinfo.com/sec-state.html.-- Gregory A. Gilliss, CISSP Telephone: 1 650 872 2420 Computer Engineering E-mail: greg () gilliss com Computer Security ICQ: 123710561 Software Development WWW: http://www.gilliss.com/greg/ PGP Key fingerprint 2F 0B 70 AE 5F 8E 71 7A 2D 86 52 BA B7 83 D9 B4 14 0E 8C A3 _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- Re: NASA.GOV SQL Injections mcbethh (Oct 16)
- RE: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Russ Spooner (Oct 17)
- RE: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Jonathan A. Zdziarski (Oct 17)
- RE: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Russ Spooner (Oct 17)
- RE: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Schmehl, Paul L (Oct 17)
- RE: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Jonathan A. Zdziarski (Oct 17)
- RE: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Ron DuFresne (Oct 17)
- RE: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Jonathan A. Zdziarski (Oct 17)
- RE: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Ron DuFresne (Oct 17)
- RE: NASA.GOV SQL Injections madsaxon (Oct 17)
- Re: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Gregory A. Gilliss (Oct 17)
- Re: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Ron DuFresne (Oct 17)
- RE: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Jonathan A. Zdziarski (Oct 17)
- Re: [SD:jason.full-disclosure] RE: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Jason Freidman (Oct 17)
- Re: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 18)
- Re: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Ron DuFresne (Oct 20)
- Re: NASA.GOV SQL Injections mcbethh (Oct 16)
- Re: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Exibar (Oct 17)
- RE: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Joe (Oct 18)
- Re: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Jonathan A. Zdziarski (Oct 18)
- Re: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Paul Schmehl (Oct 18)
- Re: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 19)
- Re: NASA.GOV SQL Injections Paul Schmehl (Oct 19)